Martin-That is better than Woodlieghs cost.We will be
waiting and we will talk it up here and elsewhere to
get you a decent run.Ed.

Ed buddy

I use jacket's from G.E i don't use Copper plumbing
tubbing.. Tubing bullet's would be from HAWK bullet company
My bullet's are no diffrent then any major manufacture
of bullet's..

Remmber i have been doing this since 1964 i ..Do have an idea of what i am doing lol

Copper tubing turned into a jacket is hard to work with it's even harder to bond in becouse of the small hole
at the base ... when the tube is formed into the jacket


I order jacket's alittle long and trim them down to fit the need/weight.
I chuck the jacket's up in the lathe and use an over head mill/router to trim them to lenght.

I order around 1000 jacket's pre diam so i have them on hand..

What i have on hand as of now are 1800 .4598---1.250 lenght

1000 .458 jacket's 1.00 all the jacket's i have on hand are 0.030

i also stock jacket's for my own use in
.366
.458
.510

Ed even though i ordered the swage die's thay won't be done for a few month's ....

Right off i can tell you a 1000 grain bullet with a 0.040 jacket's going to be atleast 2.00 each

Pottsy

Tom,

That sounds like my experiences too.

I was hunting with a freind who used a Colt Sauer 375 with 60 degree bolt lift. It did not like hot loads and he was shooting a 375 h and h with a 250 grain Bitterroot Bullet Comapny (BBC) at a sedate 2,900 fps.

He shot an honest to god 800 pound cow elk in the rear leg, hitting the femur. She went down but struggled up to her feet, three legged lame, and we tracked her in ankle deep snow.

It looked like someone with a 5 gallon bucket of red paint had flipped their paint brush onto the ground until the bucket was empty.

We found her wedged into the V of a tree, dead within 50 yards or so. She had bled out from the severed artey in her rear leg I think.

When she was hung up and then cut and wrapped at the butcher he asked us "What the hell you shot her with?"

My freind told him, and he said, "Well Ive been cutting meat 30 years and Ive never seen anything like it."

What was it we asked?

"The entire rear leg bone was shattered into a million peices.

"The whole rear leg was broken not just the bullet hole."

Ron Shaw shot a cape buffalo with this same bullet at about 2950 fps, in the femur and it dislocated the bulls hip joint at the pelvis.

There is no such thing as a magic bullet but the BBC comes close.

Bill is also a fine man, with a highly developed sense of right and wrong. He taught me alot about how to treat my freinds, family and customers.

I'll tell him You said hello.

PS For those of you who would ike to learn more about Bitterroots, you can contact bills e mail listed above and ask what he charges for my 18 page article on Bullet PErormance in the 375 H and H magnum, a three year long test of everyt 375 bullet made in 1980 from point blank to 500 yards in 100 yard incriments, at both Improved and std velocities!

It is too long to post on the on linme magazine, and I have lost all the photos, but it explains alot about why we are so fond of Bitterroots.

Andy

Andy ... Great Post


One of the best i have read on the AR Board.

Where have you been hiding Andy

HI,

I bought years ago some bitterroot bull ets for a 338,which I do not have. I will get a 338 down the road,it will be the next rifle I get. Anyway I have not heard anything about these bullets? Has anyone here used them and if so how would you compare them to other bullets?,Kev

Kev:
I've been using Bitterroot bullets since 1973 and the only problem that I ever found with them was getting the darned things. I haven't heard anything about them in a few years now so don't know if they are still in business. They are the best game bullet that I've ever used.

Tom

Kev, the Bitteroots are good bullets and as mentioned, finding them could be a problem, but give the .338 225gr Northforks a try in your gun.

Very accurate in every gun I shot them in. You won't be disappointed at all.

HI,

I have talk to the man who made them years ago, but I have not heard about him or Bitterroots in along time. I also think he maybe done with them,but what I heard from him they were very well made bullets,like I said I have about 50 225 338 bullets of them.When I do get a 338 I would most likely go with NF or noslers,Kev

They were wonder bullets in there day, and hand made by an expert bullet maker..They expanded greatly and held together, but not any better than todays Northfork, Woodleigh, Nosler, trophy bonded Speer, or Swift....They set the stage for todays premium bullets.

I don't think they are available anymore, but I may be mistaken, they were always impossible to get because they were made one at a time by one man....

Bitterroot Bullet Co.
P.O. Box 412
Lewiston, ID 83501-0412
Phone: (208) 743-5635
brootbil@lewiston.com

from: http://www.rifleshootermag.com/directory/directory/

I don't how accurate this information is. I found it doing a Google search.

-Bob F.

What Ray stated is pretty much the way it is.



Bitterroot was the FIRST bonded-core, premium bullet available. Bill Steigers, who invented and produced them (all by himself) was a true pioneer in the premium bullet field, and he is just one heck of a fine gentleman besides, with an incredible amount of bullet know-how tucked away.



I have a couple of packets of 130gr. .277 Bitterroots on hand, but I really don't have any desire to use them. There's no need to any more, because as Ray stated, outfits like Trophy Bonded (currently Speer-made), Woodleigh, and Swift have taken over what used to be Bitterroots proprietory design concept, and no long waiting period for delivery, either.



But Bill Steigers was the pioneer, no question about it.....



AD

Kev,

If you like Bitteroots but cannot find them, Rhino bullets from South Africa are the closest bullet to the way a Bitteroot expands.

HI,


MARTIN, got your bullets today,they look great. I can tell by looking at them they will have the highest BC bullet I have seen for my 50 lever. The hollow point is longer than the FP,they look real smooth and I think 200 yards with them would be okay. I cannot wait until I get room to reload again,it is killing me,Thanks,Kev

Kev

Did you want me to send you some small one's or larger
one's

450 grain ...475 grain...500 grain.... ------550 grain...>
>..575 grain..600 grain...625 grain..650 grain....Or anything in between --400 grain Though 1200 grain in .510 Diam...
The 400 grain hollow's should be about the same lenght as the 525 Flat Nose ...I really wish i could take better picture's so everyone won't think i am just pulling there leg ...

My bullet's are diffrent then the rest
There made for the .510...458..375.. my .475's are just the same as the other's as well 10% taper to a flat nose or hollow cavity
there really made for the lever action rifle to give it a little extar Somthing ...The design was in part brcouse of you Kev and my restarting the bullet making was as well.....

Just drop me a line or call me you have my home phone number


Martin


PA Bullet's

Pottsy

HI,

Martin, what is the meplat on the 525 FP and 525 HP, I would love to pick up some 550 FP and if possible keep the length close to the 525 FP,well as close as possible,Thanks,Kev

Martin-Do you make 700 cal bullets?Ed.

Ed

I can tool up for it but it will take me some time to get everything i need .

I now have the big Hydro Press so all i would need to do is Get Richard To turn me out a set of Die's.

That would be about 3 to 4 month's he's kinda backed up
And i won't use any other die makeer but Richard Corbin

And the first point forming die would be my design of 10% Deg taper so if your thinking about it and would like a look at some let me know and i will put the order in to richard for the die set

Pottsy

PA Bullet's

Kev

The bullet has a 10 degree taper with a .300 flat tip.
A 550 flat nose would be about 1/16 to an 8th inch longer

I will head down and make one up all the bullet's have the same diam tip/point thay don't get any smaller only wider

I will post a it later or in the morning on the 550 FN


Pottsy

Martin- No big hurry, but will need 700cal 1000gr jacketed

bullets next spring.I would like soft points shaped like

Woodleighs 1000 gr softpoint, that I have seen pics off.

Shaped like 577cal softs, as opposed to real round blunt bullets.Can you post a picture of your point design?.Ed.

[image]http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/30061.jpg[/image]



Ya Ya i know crappy picture ..

every buddy and there dog's been telling me to BUY A Camera.



But maybe Kev or Al here on the board could use THERE

Camera's and take picture's of the bullet's i sent them.



Ed .. sorry about the blurry photo's



That's the 10 deg taper design

It work's like a dream in lever action and bolt action and even semi auto's



Pictured ( blurry ) is a .510 Diam 550 grain hollow point with the flat nose behind it.





This is the woodleigh 700 Nitro 1000 Grain Soft

[image]http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/applications/mediasvr.dll/image?saleitemid=103259[/image]



As you can see my design is abit more taper and abit less

nose/point

Martin-The only thing I might hunt with it would be thin

skinned game. Mainly just need bullets for my 700HE.

High speed, 3000fps at times.we want do do some some longer range target shooting also, so we don't want a real blunt bullet.But also no spire point or no boattail.Jacket heavy

enough for hogs and bear.The bullet style you have pictured below looks right.Ed.

Would a semi round nose work ?

That's just like the ones woodleigh make's
I will order the die set
Now

Pottsy

i can always get a diffrnt point former later that take about 7 days to make up

Martin-A semi roundnose would be fine.Do you use jacket
cups or tubing jackets? If tubing have hole in base
closed small. Let me know the price for 1000 gr ones
and we will get some in Jan or when ready.Ed.