Behold! The genius of Saeed:



The moly-coated Walterhog .375/300gr was designed and made by Saeed, bottom bullet above.

There is also a copy of the bullet made by Fritz454, John, of Bridger Bullets fame. Top bullet above.

Weights of the above bullets:

Saeed: 299.6 grains
Bridger 310.2 grains Looks like the hollowpoint on the Bridger is very shallow and maybe this one is a booboo.

The Bridger Walterhog copies were not all so heavy when the hollowpoint was completed. They shot very well too. This is still the smallest 3-shot group I have ever fired at 100 yards. It was from a .375 Wby with 300-grain Bridger Walterhogs at about 2700 fps:

This is pretty close to what makes a Walterhog:



I was surprised that the hollowpoint cavity is so shallow and diameter just under 0.100". This is one of the early ones and possibly Saeed has enlarged the HP cavity since?

If this bullet could be imitated for mass consumption in .375 Ruger and .375 H&H, etc., it needs to have the nose shortened by .1000". That shortening should come less from that semi-bore-rider nose segment, and more from the ogived segment of the nose. Any extra weight needed could come from adding a fifth band at the rear of the bullet, and just make it .0500" wide and spaced like the other four bands. Anymore weight needed could come from minor adjustments of the nose ogive and width of the meplat (with wider and deeper cavity) and length changes in the boat-tail: And note the intermediate tail diameter that is between groove and land.

The Walterhog gets eased into the throat by a semi-bore-rider nose segment, and gets eased out of the muzzle exit by a semi-bore-rider tail segment:



A similar design with an FN Solid nose made in brass instead of copper would also be the cat's meow.

Hey Macifej:
I'll bet you could add that fifth band and shorten the ogived segment of the nose and widen and deepen the hollowpoint, eh?

Make it fit the .375 Ruger and .375 H&H magazine boxes.

This Walter hog bullet has not proven to be in any way better than the Barnes TSX.What is the point of investing money to try and make something that is easily available.Another good bullet must be the Gerard bullet.A better bullet would be one that opens to a larger frontal area and stays that way.

I am sorry, but I simply do not want to respond to an idiot like shootaway. I did take him off ignore because he is hilariously stupid ... sometimes ... usually he is just stupid, like now.

RIP,if I want to go to sleep I just read your posts.

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Originally posted by RIP:
I am sorry, but I simply do not want to respond to an idiot like shootaway. I did take him off ignore because he is hilariously stupid ... sometimes ... usually he is just stupid, like now.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Hey Macifej:
I'll bet you could add that fifth band and shorten the ogived segment of the nose and widen and deepen the hollowpoint, eh?

Make it fit the .375 Ruger and .375 H&H magazine boxes.

OK. You've talked me into it....I wouldn't mind trying it out.

I have a 2006 vintage Walterhog in my collection...I could try to measure the HP depth if you like? Or I suppose we could just ask Saeed.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by RIP:
I am sorry, but I simply do not want to respond to an idiot like shootaway. I did take him off ignore because he is hilariously stupid ... sometimes ... usually he is just stupid, like now.

Now now. The little feller can't help his self - he's still on the waiting list for a brain implant. Should be a quick operation though - nothing to remove.

There's the little feller!

Is it true your momma carried you upside down for the first year of your life thinking she had a one eyed baby?

Well, little feller, that really hurts, 'specially coming from a DROOLIGAN!

Ok! Enough with the insults boyz! Some of us are cognitively challenged and there is nothing to be done about that except mandatory sterilization so lets move on.

1) Now that I have seen the infamous Walterhog projectile I have a few observations as follows.

A) Hmmmmm......

B) Errrrrrr....

C) Yes......

Ok This is a very good design no doubt. The shape is very intuitive and looks like most tangential ogives in that caliber. What makes the thing exceptionally deadly though is........

A BIG FAT SECRET WHICH SAEED TOLD ME AND I'M NOT GONNA TELL AND ISN'T SHOWN IN THE PHOTO OR THE DRAWING!!!

I'll make them for you guys with the secret feature but you'll have to make a lot of them so they are affordable for the majority of guys who want them. Saeed has given the project his blessing so all is well.

They's be great in my .416 Rigby, and in my 338 Lapua, and in all my 30 cals. And maybe a 510 cal for the BMG shooter.

RIP, how do you figure this one would do in a double rifle?

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:
They's be great in my .416 Rigby, and in my 338 Lapua, and in all my 30 cals. And maybe a 510 cal for the BMG shooter.

RIP, how do you figure this one would do in a double rifle?

I thought that the magic was that they worked in 375 only?

Jim,
The base of the Walterhog is greater than bore/land diameter, it is about .3700" instead of a true bore-riding .367". That might be rough on an antique double rifle with thin barrels made of leaded steel from a bygone era.

Macifej,
That pencil drawing is from measurements of one sample bullet from Saeed.
What is the secret design feature? Must I wear my Decoder Ring and 3-D Glasses, or what must I do to understand?

Canuck,
Please do measure your newer-than-mine-2006-vintage Walterhog for hollowpoint cavity diameter and depth and any "secret" features. Any observations appreciated.

Det. Berry! You are getting warmer!

Who knows what your nose might know about noses?

P.S. I just received 200 rounds of Hornady - Ruger .375" Once fired brass I ordered online from a top secret source for the whopping price of $46.00! Now I just can't decide whether to load it as .375" (instant gratification) - or make Ruger .395" Max out of them!?!?

Mac,
Heat treatment of the copper? Am I hot yet?

Hope to shoot brass SHARKs into water tomorrow.
If the weather is considerate enough to snow instead of rain, I will be able to handle that.

I seem to remember the hollow point cavity did get enlarged because the original design was punching through smaller game a little too effectively.

In other words, it wasn't producing enough shock.

There is also an optimum velocity for them as well.

Saeed will probably tell all if he's asked.

Nope! No broiling or grilling of the copper carcass.

The secret is the insertion of a light weight cavity filler compound of C-chinense. Really ingenious (generates heat in the wound channel). I thought this substance was restricted in the UAE?

Anyway - I can duplicate the construction as I have plenty of the compound here.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Mac,
Heat treatment of the copper? Am I hot yet?

Hope to shoot brass SHARKs into water tomorrow.
If the weather is considerate enough to snow instead of rain, I will be able to handle that.

SHARKS Like water!!

Don't fall in the water RIP! You're no good to us as a popsicle!

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Nope! No broiling or grilling of the copper carcass.

The secret is the insertion of a light weight cavity filler compound of C-chinense. Really ingenious (generates heat in the wound channel). I thought this substance was restricted in the UAE?

Anyway - I can duplicate the construction as I have plenty of the compound here.

Love it. Now that is the kind of pepper spray I prefer to use on bears.

Cheers,
Canuck

Now we know that any S&H Walterhog copy will have to be in copper.

Feasibility on $$$ and quantity has not been assessed on this, nor even a shortnosed design of 300-grain weight. Orders are not being taken yet by me, nor Macifej.

It is an interesting proposition for a big run, if ever there will be an interesting bullet for a bigger market than that of .395 caliber, this might be it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Macifej:
Ok! Enough with the insults boyz! Some of us are cognitively challenged and there is nothing to be done about that except mandatory sterilization so lets move on.

If you Wildmen can finalize the configuration and dimensions I will make them form copper, plastic, aluminum, or fossilized pig snot!!! If you guys want em' I'll do em'!! Just be prepared to shoot a lot of em cause it needs to be a big run to keep the cost down.

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Originally posted by Macifej:
If you Wildmen can finalize the configuration and dimensions I will make them form copper, plastic, aluminum, or fossilized pig snot!!! If you guys want em' I'll do em'!! Just be prepared to shoot a lot of em cause it needs to be a big run to keep the cost down.

Alas, Macifej, this is a very formidable task, to get a consensus here.
Consider this a gift to you from Saeed.
If there is interest, run with it.

I can tell you that the only way anything gets done here is that one man must spearhead the chore and keep after it to completion.
I cannot assume another project like this, because I am up to my eyebrows in ".395."
Thank you for your help along the way with that.
I still have much work to do with that.

On second thought, and third thought, it sounds like a lot of experimentation is going to be required to arrive at a nose design ...

It would be a lot easier to just go with the GSC HV's.
They are perfected.
Probably will be a whole lot easier to get GSC bullets than to create a snubnosed Walterhog designed by committee that will work in all .375-caliber rifles:

Let them eat cake!

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Originally posted by shootaway:
This Walter hog bullet has not proven to be in any way better than the Barnes TSX.What is the point of investing money to try and make something that is easily available.Another good bullet must be the Gerard bullet.A better bullet would be one that opens to a larger frontal area and stays that way.

Innovation comes from experimentation and investment. If everyone was satisfied with "good enough" there would be no advancement in technology further than the horse drawn cart.

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Probably will be a whole lot easier to get GSC bullets than to create a snubnosed Walterhog designed by committee that will work in all .375-caliber rifles:

I was going to say the same thing. FN solids don't seem to require much experimentation. I personally wouldn't invest in a large run of expanding bullets until the design had been proven first...I suspect most would feel the same.

Cheers,
Canuck

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FN solids don't seem to require much experimentation.

Say what??????

Gerard! Canuck is talking about Canadian FN's! THEY don't need experimentation.....

Could have sworn he was referring to bullets.

Just back in town from a problem lion hunt.

Bought back some of Saeeds new bullets from dubai for my 9,3 and .416- they sure sort out lion! Young male quatering on- 9,3 went through near shoulder and made a fist sized exit in the left rib cage. Next have to try them on Buff

One of the lads on this years proficiency exam used one of the .416 version to sort out that lioness that fancied a candidate or two.

Isit okay for a Norwegian gunbug that in a month will have access to a cnc machine to copy the bullet design for hos own uses in .35 caliber and perhaps 8mm and 404 caliber for his own hunting ?

I just wanted to ask in advance sine you have put so much effort into a good and sound working bullet ?

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Originally posted by Gerard:

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FN solids don't seem to require much experimentation.

Say what??????

Well, to be accurate, what I meant (which still doesn't mean I am right), is that they don't seem to require as much experimentation to find something that will perform well on game.

To be even more accurate, I would qualify that remark by saying that "as much" is a very relative term and might depend on your starting point (ie. your position on the development curve). If one had some great, proven bullets to study and learn from, well, I assume that you'd probably have less design problems from the get-go....no?

Now, I would have to say that the above would be LESS true for expanding bullets, given that they must be much more finicky when it comes to providing the best terminal performance.

But, I would be remiss if I did not state the obvious and make it abundantly clear that I am NO bullet maker (wannabe or otherwise). I reserve the right to be completely wrong, to stick my foot as far in my mouth as humanly possible, and to blame it all on numbed brain-cells from our frigid arctic air up here.

Cheers,
Canuck

Canuck! We knew exactly what you meant and of course you are, generally speaking, correct. Gerard and I wee just busting yo chawpz doood!