I shot my first big bore last weekend (Blazer 470 NE double gun) and now the bug has bitten for me to get a big bore. Since a classic SxS is way out mu meager Army salary I am looking at the Ruger #1 in 458 Lott. I have heard a lot of good and bad about this cartridge but I figured that since it is already a bigun' it would be a good place to start. I figure I can load it down to moderate levels for most of my shooting. I also plan on adding a bit of weight, a mercury recoil reducer, and a Decelorator to tame it down even more.

In the event that I ever get that hunger for even bigger toys what could I rebarrel the #1 to? Is the 470 NE or the 505 possible?

Any help with this newest obsession would be appreciated.

Up to about 500 N.E. is easy...I personally would go with a 470 and keep the action beefed up...Some even go with the .577, but I am leary of that, but have nothing to back that up with, just wouldn't do it. I would like a no. 1 in 450-400-3" or perhaps a 404 Jefferys myself...

I think the Number-1 cries out for a classic round, like the 450 3 1/4" nitro{ mines done that way}, or maybe 450 No-2
Chapman had a realy nice No-1 in 450-400 but was way out of my price range

JD Jones at SSK Industries builds #1s into .577NE and .600NEs.

George

George

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I'm curious what bad things you've heard about the 458 Lott? I can see wanting to have a rimmed case in a #1, but asside from that, the Lott is a good round.

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As far as performance with the Lott I have heard nothing but excellent comments. The negatives have been on the shooters end of the rifle. From what I hear it tends to have a much "sharper" recoil when compared to other big bores. The 470 NE I shot was heavy recoiling but not brutal. The 375 RUM on the other hand was painful to shoot. I hope that explains things a little better.

Starting with a #1 in 458 Lott or 416 seems like a good idea. I could later rebarrel to something like 450NE or 470NE, possibly a 500 or 505. But I dont think I want to go any bigger than that.

I'll have to shoot my new Lott some more to figure things out recoil wise. My previous Lott did seem to be a tad sharper than my 500 Jeffrey, but I wouldn't say the Lott has the sharpness of a fast medium bore.

Paul - my buddy Diesel Dude has moved back from Texas and still has his #1 in 577 3" - I have shot it and it is a hoot!!!! (not with his "hot" loads) - I will call him and arrange some time for us to meet and burn some powder at Rabbit Creek (note to self, bring magnum past recoil pad....) - KMule

M1Tanker,

You can rebarrel a Ruger No. 1 up to 577 nitro express.

Since you are considering a .458 Lott, have you considered a model 70 or CZ550? It is a simple matter to convert a model 70 in .458 winmag ($850 new) to .458 Lott by reaming the chamber, removing the magazine block, and moving the boltstop back. The CZ550 is easy too, but needs a wee bit of rail and ramp adjusting. Or you can buy a new CZ550 in .458 lott with an American style stock for $800.



If you are a real fan of the Ruger No. 1 that is one thing. But a lot of people who go the Ruger No. 1 route because it is a cheap way into a big bore get tired of the No. 1 quite quickly and end up selling it (at a loss) to upgrade to a repeater.

I have been considering both the CZ and M70 very seriously. But I just aquired a CZ in 375 and having another 375 custom built on a 1909 Arg action. Since I know a double is well out of my reach that leaves me with a bolt gun or single shot as my options. Since I will have 2 375's I think the #1 is my best option in single shots. I have always loved falling blocks and have a few varying from a Stevens Favorite up to a Browning 1885 BPCR Creedmore in 45/90. Have never owned a #1 though but I like them a lot. The 458 Lott seems like a good starting point for a true big bore and I can readily rebarrel at a later date if I choose.

Any opinions to share on my theory?

Ruger no 1's in 458 lott kick like hell because the stock was not designed to dissipate recoil. Changing the stock is expensive. But if you want a heavy recoil experience for low dollars, the No. 1 will help you get there.

Another option is a farquarson.



Another option is an 8 bore muzzle loader from a custom gunmaker in Colorado whose name I forgot. They run about $3K.

his name is jim gefrohh 1-970-377-9564 tell jim steve from ontatio sent ya.

if your left handed i have a 8 bore 4 sale you might just like.

The Farquarson crossed my mind but after I looked at the price it went back into the wished for category. I will most definately put a mercury recoil reducer in the butt and install a Decelorator to tame the recoil.

I learned with the decelorator that if I flare them out from the butt a bit it gives me a bigger footprint for recoil and really tames it down considerably. Some people dont care for the slightly flared look but it sure works.

We need to get together next time I am in SLC. I have a real hankering to try your 585 Nyati now.

700 Nitro,
Please tell more of this 8 bore.
Ghost

I think your choice of the Lott in a Ruger No.1 is a good valid choice..The Lott recoils in any gun, big bores do that, they all do that...I would load the Lott down to an honest 2100 FPS with a 500 gr. bullet in the no. 1, that would work in Jurrasik park. I would prefer the CZ550 in 458 Lott myself, and they are available at a cheap price, but the Ruger is a classic and beatiful rifle...

Ray,
I am leaning heavily towars the Lott in the #1 since I already have a CZ550 in 375 and want to have some variation to my collection. As I said earlier I love falling blocks and the #1 in 458 Lott will give me a true big bore and a classy action all in one.

M1 tanker,
I can relate to that, I have always wanted a Farqharison (SP?)in a 450-400 and now I am looking for a no. 1 to have Jim Brockman build me a 450-400-3" or 3.25" on with a 26 inch barrel and an Alex Henry forend, thats close enough for me..

If I had it to do all over again I might have started my 404 with a #1, but I'm to far down the road. It would have been a very good project and there are tons of nice two piece English wood to be had.

Maybe a 400 H&H down the road just for grins someday, just thinking out loud.

So many calibers to choose from. It is like being a kid in a candy store.

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I just traded off a Ruger #1 in 458 Lott. I put a 3/4 lb mercury recoil reducer in the buttstock and mounted a red Decelerator. With 500gr Hornadys moving along at 2250-2300FPS the FELT recoil was less than my 8.5lb 416 Rem. I was very surprised. Still, with 75 ft/lbs of recoil, you know the rifle went off. Personally, I would buy the Ruger in 458 Win, shoot it, rechamber to the Lott, shoot it (which is what I did), if you want more, rechamber to the 460 Weatherby, shoot it. Then when you get tired of that ugly behemoth, rebarrel it with class to 500 Nitro with a full dress barrel. Shoot it. Keep it forever

I figure if I start with the Lott I can load it mild or stoked hot as the situation calls for. I have no desire to own a 460 Weatherby. Its a personal thing with me. While there is no doubt of its capabilities I just dont care for the Weatherby rounds.

I saw a #1 a few years ago in 7x57 that the owner had rebarreled with a contoured octagon barrel with a full length integral rib. Beautiful is an understatement. I would like to barrel it like that some day.

I don�t know about the #1 but most rifles in 458 Lot can also shout the 458 Win. Cartridge. I personally think a #1 in 416 Rigby with a hex barrel would be very cool!