Hello, I am a new member from Indonesia, and registered in Indonesian Shooting & Hunting Association.

I think this forum is informative and fun.

Me and my brother just have several rifles which were owned by our late grandfather. The rifles havent registered yet so technicaly are prohibited to go hunting with. But my brother unofficially used it to shoot on wildhog in his recent hunting.

My brother took a rifle named either "Bruxeller or Bruxelles" in 375 H&H mag, 24" barrel Mauser action, express sight, barrel band swivel. But we have some difficulty to find any information regarding the rifle. I have asked some people on websites, but they have some problem either. They asked for its picture, and I will send it as soon as my brother comes back.
It appears my grandfather had it from someone as a gift in 1967.

Also there is Wby Mark V in 460 mag, 26" barrel, built-in muzzle brake with open sight. My grandfather bought it around 1973. So far it is brand new and he never shot it even a single round.

Maybe anybody in this forum can give me some instruction the pleasant way in order to sight in this hard kicking rifle. I havent fired it yet.
It is scopeless now, I will top it with "not so expensive scope" but shockproof.

Thank you

BantengRaider
Jakarta-Indonesia

Banteng,

When going out with the Weatherby, make sure you put in both earplugs and cover your ears with the earmuff sound suppressors. It will be very loud.

With the muzzle brake you shouldn't have much of a problem. Without the muzzle brake it will be a different story. A sack of loose sand or lead shot between your shoulder and the rifles butt would work. It is not something to be afraid of but it is something to be aware of.

Roger,

Thanks for your response.

Seems like my recoil protector (PAST) might not absorb such huge recoil. As you know according to Weatherby data it propells 108 ft pound of recoil while 375 H&H just 45 ft pound on 8.5 pound rifle. But my cardridges are as old as the rifle almost 30 yrs. There could be some velocity reduction, couldnt they?

Do you recommend Pachmayr Decelerator as a replacement butt pad ?

Any suggestion regarding scope rings & bases ?
I heard Leupold double dove tail will work well on hard kicking rifle, also it cost less.

I used Redfield with windage on my previous Win M 70 in 375 H&H (I sold the rifle and I regret it later)sometimes the windage bolts loose.

Thank you

Welcome to the forum and do you hunt Banteng there? I've hunted them in Australia and it was great fun! As for your 460 WBY. Try a Pachmeyer Triple-X pad #990 (i think). Many of us here have used these on hard kickers with good results. As for loads, Run a recent search on the 460 WBY. I published some loads a week or so ago that were quite good and safe!. The recoil of the 460 is not bad at all from a standing position, off the bench use a sissy bag. Don't even try to get 2700 fps out of it with a 500 gr bullet. IMHO this round is at it's best at 2500 fps at the muzzel with a 500 gr woodleigh.-Rob

Banteng

The muzzle brake you have is called a Pendelton Brake and is not as effective as the newer ones that are being made now. Shooting off of the bench will be a very unpleasant experience. Use the hearing protection as stated and the cheater bag.

I doubt if you can find a low cost scope that will hold up to the recoil. You should probably think about leaving the open sights. If you need a scope than spend the money for a long eye relief scope. The 2.5 leupold is evedently popular on heavy recoiling rifles. Increase the size of the mounting screws and use a good bridge mount. Loctite on the windage screws will keep them from backing off.

Good luck, there might be a reason your Grandfather didn't shoot it.

[ 10-23-2002, 21:22: Message edited by: mickey ]

Banteng,

I would agree with Mickey on the recoil as I have owned in the past two 460s with the Pendleton Dekicker.

A bag with lead shot makes lots of difference.

Would also agree with Rob on velocities. A load that seems to work in all 460s is 115 grains of IMR 4350 with 500 grainers and that does right on 2500 f/s

What sort of powder and reloading supplies can you get where you are.

Mike

Thank you for all of you, those are useful for me as a beginner.

Robgunbuilder, yes My grandfather and my dad used to hunt banteng(bos bibos sundaecus). It was legal to shoot banteng during that day. Just buy the license, trophy fee. But now it is restricted even though its population are plenty. This magnificent bovine is such a precious trophy and tough to beat.

We also hunt water buffalo here and I believed you did too while hunting in down under.

May I see your picts if you dont mind, I'll send mine when my scanner fix.

mickey, Leupold would be the best choice even though a bit pricey and I am just figure it out why my grandpa hesitated to shoot it. For bull Banteng he used a Mauser in 9.3X64 brenneke.

Mike375, unfortunately we are a non-reloader here. Thats what we miss a lot. The authority is not allowed us to do reloading. I never know the reason. We can order the ammo through the importer. Only one importer available here and it sounds monopoly. But thats all we can get here. Hopefuly the regulation changes someday.

If I purchase the new ammo what is the best factory load?

Thank you

I can't resist, the best advice for sighting in the 460 is to have your brother do it

In addition to the Pact shoulder pad, a bag of shot, and a softer recoil pad, I'd suggest getting or making a bull bag. Imagine 4 shot bags sewn together in a butterfly shape. You nestle the stock into the bag, and it provides additional resistance to the rearword travel of the rifle.

Since your resricted to Commercial Ammo, how about getting Superior Ammo to send you some 460 wby handloads in a "commercial package". I'm sure they could make you some IMR4350 loads that would perform better than the WBY stuff.
Yes I hunted Banteng and Water Buff in Australia two years ago. I had a blast and got both. The Banteng were interesting Bovines. Much more Deer-like than I expected and amazingly tough to hunt. I'll have to post some pictures,but I've got both trophies on the wall now! Best of luck-Rob

Banteng,

Does the import agent import from Weatherby or from the Australian Weatherby agent. Weatherby factory loads will be the 500 grain Hornady in Soft Point and Solid and also a 400 grain Barnes X bullet.

Robs suggestion is a good one, provided the import agent can import the Superior ammo.

Mike

With a muzzle brake, recoil should not be a problem at all. However, that old style pad might be a little too hard. Regardless, be prepare for some noisy range time. Have fun.

[ 10-24-2002, 05:31: Message edited by: Mingo ]

I bought one of those in 1984, but traded it in and had one built on a BBK-02 action.

Now I am going to go back and re-create this vertical stack magazine pushfeed wonder DGR.

I gotta have at least one pushfeed vertical stack (two down and one up) 460 Wby DGR on a Mark V action or I ain't livin'.

The advice about 500 grain bullets at 2500 fps is good advice. The old factory ammo bullets are too fragile for the possible 2650 fps you may get from the factory ammo, which always seems to be hot.

The load Mike375 listed is a wonder load in my BBK-02, 1/2 MOA for three shots. Then I take a break and massage my shoulder.

Use a tough bullet.

Ron,

I also had one (460 WB) that was made in 1982. It had an intergal brake and a red vented recoil pad. I think that we have a similar interest here as I have been looking to have a push feed big bore built. I was thinking about using either a Sako or a McMillan custom action. I like the 460 Weatherby cartridge but I do not like the Mark V action for some reason. I actually bought a stainless Mark V in 30-378 last year to build a 460 Weatherby or a 495 A-Square but that project never did finalized. Oh well, I have enough projects going for now that I don't want to think about it at this point. Later.

Mike375,

I havent asked them whether the import agent brought the ammo from Weatherby USA or Australia.

My guest the import agent has a particular
guns and ammo distributor.

Handloads are compromising to me, but I have 8 boxes of factory ammo here. Eventhough they are aging almost 30 yrs, but it looks in good condition.

Couple of years ago I used to have several cordite rounds of 375 H&H 300 gr solid by Kynoch. It must had been 40 or 50 yrs and worked well around 50 yds on willdhog, but I didnt know the grouping result.

But once failed with a factory ammo in 375 H&H 300 gr flat nose solid. The bullet broke the shoulder bone but failed to reach the vital organ. The distance was around 30 yds.

Mingo, this is a good input for me. Whats the reason that you dont like the MK V action ?

Thanks

Banteng and Ming

Banteng,

I think the ammo will be OK. If you see the price of new ammo you will just love the stuff you have

Ming,

It is a rare day when I own more than 3 rifles at the one time. Passing parade over here

But I have had lots of Mark Vs. What I find with gthem is that you can't mix them up with 2 jug actions. I find a Wby actions feels terrible if I have been using 2 lug actuions. I also find the reverse.

At the moment I have a 416 Wby Euromark here and also a friend's 375 which is a rebarreled Rem 700 416 Remington.

I have just bedded the Mark V a little while ago and the trigger, mounted scope etc. So I have been handling the rifle a lot.

I am now doing the same to friends Rem 375 and it feels terrible to work the action after the Mark V. But I know the rvers applies when you come from the Rem 700 or M70 to the Mark V.

I think that is one reason that some people love Wbys and others hate them.

One thing I do know and that is if one person is very used to the M70 or Rem 700 and the another person is very use to the Mark V, the person with the Mark V will be able to work their action quicker with feeding and ejecting cartridges.

Mike

Mike,

I don't think there is anything wrong with the Mark V action. I just don't like those small lugs as it is kind of difficult to keep clean, especially the inside of the receiver. With that said, I really don't mind to buy another Mark V sometime in the future. Later.

Hello,

Regarding scope on your .460. I have a Aimpoint XD 5000 ( It�s a red dot scope) on my .585. It works very well and I can have very long eye relife. This may be something for you.

JanG

I have had 2 460's and think they are great.
Mike375's suggestion for superior ammo is a good one,I would get them to load with the Hodgdon extreme powder same burning rate as 4350 if possible.
I find that if I sit down and relax when I shoot my current one[German MK V made in 1969] the recoil is no problem and rabbits out to 150 yards are in big trouble.
It also knocks down cattle OK as well so it makes the ideal walk about rifle.

Good luck ,
Charlie

[I have a Heym Expres 460 Weath. With the Pachmayr Triple-xMag recoil-pad it is no problem to shoot accuratly. I shot a 500Jeffery in a Johannsen and this gun kicked much more then my 460 Heym express.

JanG,

Thanks for your offer, but I decided to choose Leupold VX-II 1-4X20.

Safarischorsch,

Seems the Triple X will do the job.

I love big bore doubles, but the price to high.

Abdi

JanG

How has your Aimpoint held up under the recoil? How many rounds do you have through it with the Aimpoint on your 460?

I have a 460 that I have considered putting a red dot sight on but have been hesitant due to the recoil

Thanks
Mark

Banteng,
I have a hunch that 375 is quite a nice expensive rifle....

The best way to handle a 460 is load it down to 2200 FPS with a 500 gr. bullet. It will have very little pressure and recoil will be like a maidens caress with that low pressure yet still be a very powerful load.

Coloradoyaler/Mark

I have the Aimpoint on my .585 Nyati in quick release mounts and I have shoot about 50-60 shoots so far. I haven�t noticed any problems.

JanG

JanG

What model Aimpoint do you have on your 585? I would like to give it a try.

Thanks
Mark

Mark,

It�s a Aimpoint 5000 XD.
Good luck,

JanG

If you want a scope the 2.5x leupold will work well and handles recoil. All in all it has enough magnification to serve a lot of shooting situations. It also looks good on big rifles.