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Hello, Looking for feed back on this firm as to overall quality, backup service, problem solving etc. Would appear to be a near re-do of the Win. Model 70?? Noticed office in State of Washington, but that is probably the sales/marketing wing of the firm. The introductory rifle and all that it offers (small center fires up to and including 505's) is not what one would call low priced, nor is it in the stratosphere either. It is a very common occurence one reads and hears that a low, low, priced big bore rifle is purchased and then a sum greater than the purchase price is required to make it as it should have been in the beginning and I have no desire to do that at all. I would prefer to do it right the first time. If anyone has experience with the Hein Bolt rifles, appreciate any feed back. Thanks | ||
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Talk to them, meet them and make your mind up. I met them at Milwaukee last year and have decided that I shall be buying a rifle from them when they have their Mauser action out. They are good people and very straightforward in talking to those who have any enquiries about their products. I have seen some of their guns but there are members here who own several of them. If you do a web search you would see that they have a large number of happy clients on these forums. I am also certain that some of them would post here shortly and tell you how what their experience has been. Good hunting! Mehul Kamdar "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry | |||
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There was a poster here a few months ago who had issues with a Hein PolouseTrophy(synthetic) It concerned slithers of metal that werent properly removed/deburred from the receiver, as well as some issue with the stock where epoxy was used to fill in gaps, because the stock used was not(as claimed) a dedicated inlet for the receiver.According to the owner, epoxy began cracking and falling away in small chunks. UNfortunately the post on the subject was removed, so have no reference to it. Some thought the owner was over reacting,some didnt. I am under the impression that a reasonable person pays a premium price for a custom rifle maker to iron out & avoid quality problems. If thats not the case,id like to know where they spend the "specialised expertise" time your paying them for. We are not talking about a rifle with a 20% price premium on a factory M70, but more like 400%. Maybe the poster is tunning in and has update on the rifle in question. | |||
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Hello Woodjack, I hear you loud and clear about the 400% part regarding M70 rifle. The caliber I would be interested in would be sized larger than one would normally put on a 70 size action and hence the greater price for a true magnum length/sized action. Your point is well taken though. Spending something just south of $4000.00 for a rifle and having bedding/epoxy, etc. fall out is not a good thing and would continue to use my Ruger RSM's at less than half the cost and they work very well, all the time, and accurate to boot. Makes me wonder why we are never satisfied with our "shoot'n irons..." | |||
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I just spoke to the boys at Hein on Friday and they are very busy with orders. I wont speak for them but it is safe to say if you want to get a rifle made from them better order now for your 2009 Safari. They must be doing something right! As for the negative comments on their rifles...I would take it with a grain of Salt. Do a search on this forum and you will find someone trashing any maker. No doubt some are very true...but some seem a little bias. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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While recently researching custom rifle builders Hein was highly rated. IMHO they are a quality outfit where you'll get what you pay for. "shoot quick but take your time" | |||
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that post was not removed because he bashed Hein. What you are saying is true, but it is taken out of context and is liable to give people just tuning in a misleading opinion of the rifle, company, and poster in question. | |||
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Yes there was a post and it was removed as it became totally irresponsible. Waffenfabric Hein was completely vindicated IMO on that post and it was clear that someone was actually into extortion. I'd ignore any negative comments as they were totally unjustified and irresponsible! WFH was undamaged IMO on that thread and they tastefully handled the issue. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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It is my understanding that Hein offered to fix the rifle in question, however the owner would not return the rifle. Based on the "Poster", pictures he presented, and other information it is questionable as to what the Poster did and did not do. In my view, there seemed to be "work" (if you can call it such) performed by the Poster/Owner on the rifle....It appeared he may have butchered the rifle. WFH still offered to fix any problem with that rifle but the fellow just refused to send it back. To date I have handled several of the Hein rifles, based on that and my interaction with WFH, I have ordered two of WFH new Mauser action rifles. It has been a pleasure thus far dealing with Greg and Karl and I expect my two rifles will be first rate. | |||
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Hello JJS, Much of the negative remarks about the Hein I believe were over stated and aside from this forum have spoken with others and they very strongly advise a purchase of the Hein rifle. The attitude and willingness to work with the purchaser seems to always come thorugh loud and clear and that in itself is a very big plus to me. I have a request of quotation in to them now and look forward to placing the order soon. I have a 375HH, 416 Rigby, 458 Lott in RSM at this time and really not sure just what caliber one could go with for the three pretty well cover everything. Any suggestions?? Thanks | |||
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driver, Yes, you have covered the range of Big Bores with the exception of a .500 caliber. Everyone has their own preferences, driven mostly to fill a "want" or even possibly a true "need". I spent the last year plus selling off a bunch of rifles. I guess I felt the "want and need" to have something more than an off the self rifle. Currently, I am planning on building a set of four rifles the first two will be a 375 H&H and a 404 Jeffery. The other two will most likely be a 7x57 and a 300 H&H, with the possibility of one or a fifth, being a 458 cal or bigger. From the rifles I have handled and everthing I have read, I really like the 404 Jeffery. It can be had in a smaller and trimmer (lighter is better in a hunting rifle) action than the bigger cased rounds but still has the capability of 400 grain bullets up to 2400+ fps. What are you thinking about having built? | |||
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Driver, I own a Hein rifle and am more than pleased with it. It is beautifully made and very finely finished, well worth what they charge. IMO, you could not go wrong buying one of their rifles and I think that you would be very pleased with it. I personally have heard of no problems with any of their rifles and if there were I am sure that Karl and Greg would make sure it was taken care of. BTW, mine is a .450 Dakota on the N-5 action. Andy | |||
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When I met Greg and Karl they even showed me a rifle which had a problem with the outsourced stock that they ahd bought from a prominent maker of drop in stocks - they had bought this on a client's instructions. I found it refreshing that these gentlemen would speak candidly of what some might consider a "failure" as openly as they did at a convention that ahd thousands of people attending. It was reassuring and refreshingly honest. The reason why I decided that I would order a rifle from them when the time came for me to do so. I hope it will be very, very soon and am waiting for them to launch their MAuser action.  Cheers! Mehul Kamdar "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry | |||
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Hello JJS, The 404 is one I have been considering and am soon to take delivery on a 9.3x62 built on G33/40 w/Douglas barrel and NECG sights,band, etc., and probably have a snythetic stock fitted. I know the 375HH and the 9.3 will work as a so called plains game rifle, but leaning strongly for the 300 H&H. Not a terribly effecient cartridge but to have two of Holland and Holland cartridges can't be all bad! I am anxious to receive the quote from Hein soon and go from there. | |||
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Although mine is not finished yet if you want one do not delay ordering it. I ordered a left handed 375 H&H one year ago and was initally quoted a 8 month delivery time and have yet to see the rifle or a firm delivery date. Based on my experiences at this point in time I would estimate delivery to take 15-18 months. My rifle is the syn stock version so am guessing the wood stocked version would take even longer. Hopefully this Sept I can use it on my annual moose hunt. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Hello Snowwolfe, Thanks for the input and understand delivery is a while, but not a problem. I will most likely have the stock issue handled by someone other than Hein and go with just the barreled action. | |||
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After using a Hein 404 most of last year I was inpressed enough to order an action for the 375 H&H I was told the wait would be around 14 months. I was also told that they are looking into doing their own synthetic stocks in the near future but as of today are outsourcing them. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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That is about as good of a recomendation as you can get IMO. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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Just a point of clarification, we currently do our own synthetic stock work (i.e. inletting, bedding, etc...) but buy stock blanks from the likes of McMillan, MPI, etc... We are looking into the posiibility of producing our own synthetic stocks, but this is off in the future (2008,2009) as we are extremely busy with current orders as others have mentioned. | |||
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Hello Mr. Karl Webber, Very much appreciate your direct response to the stock issue and having started this "thread..." inquiring about your firearms, I have repeatedly heard that your firm communicates closely with the client/customer and this only serves as verification of same. I look forward to seeing your quotation for the rifle I am interested in having built by Hein. | |||
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Top notch stuff. I ordered a left handed action from the at DSC. 505ED DRSS Member | |||
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havimg fired and played with 3 of these so far they are a bargan for what you get and service after the sale is the best I have seen so far . the builder is very involved with what you will use the rifle for not what they have to sell a true purpose built bolt gun VERITAS ODIUM PARIT | |||
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Driver, Now you have the information from the gentleman himself. Rest assured that you will have no problem anymore. These are very fine gentlemen!Karl, Good to see you back here. Will you have the Mauser action at St Louis? Hope to meet you there and start planning. Cheers! Mehul Kamdar "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry | |||
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I have spent a year researching custom rifles and I will have them build my first. I checked out Empire, Serengetti, Hill Country, Briley['s and many others. These guys know what they are doing and how to do it. | |||
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Driver, I have processed all the quote requests we have received to date. I just wanted to make sure you received yours as I have no way of knowing which one it was. | |||
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Mehul, Unfortunately we will not be attending the NRA show in St. Louis this year. Hope you enjoy the show. | |||
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Hello Mr. Weber, I sent you e mail regarding my ideas on a quarter rib. Sorry did not explain that in my initial mail to you. | |||
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I think I have everything I need now, but am leaving the office for the day, I will get on it first thing tomorrow. | |||
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