458 lott ,Woodleigh FMJ, chrono results and POI-VIDEO added

09 January 2010, 02:57

I was at the range today and chronod some loads from my ruger. I used Hogdon 4895 and molly coated bullets for all loaded rounds. It was about -10 celsius and I was using my Oehler 35p chrono at about 10ft from the muzzle.

New cases were used with all loads. I get 25fps less when I use reloaded cases.

09 January 2010, 03:21

AzGuy

shootaway,

You are truely unique.....

09 January 2010, 03:25

shootaway

quote:
Originally posted by AzGuy:
shootaway,

You are truely unique.....

Hey,thanks AzGuy!

09 January 2010, 10:24

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
I was using my Oehler 35p chrono at about 10ft

when did you buy that oehler?

09 January 2010, 14:37

shootaway

2004 or 2005

09 January 2010, 16:57

jro45

I use IMR4320 with my 458 Lott and I get with a 458 solid 2363 FPS. With a 500gr RN bullet 2280 FPS. I have a 26" barrel And it is a CZ 550 model.

09 January 2010, 17:07

Ed Scarboro

jro45...I am loading h4895 in my CZ and getting about the same results---500gr Hornady SP at 2280-2300 and the same load with solids running 2364 avg. With the h4895, it appears that the softs and solids are going to same POI. I tried AA2520 and got similar if not higher velocity but the solids shot 4-5" below the softs.

What load are you using with the 4320 since that is the next powder I planned to try.

10 January 2010, 09:02

IanD

Where you intentionally aiming at the lower left of the target....

10 January 2010, 16:04

doubledown

quote:
Where you intentionally aiming at the lower left of the target....

Yes, thats the kill zone on round bullseye targets

10 January 2010, 20:52

nainital

Minus 10 Celsius, besides being a piece of endurance for the shooter, may affect pressures and shouldn´t be taken in consideration. After all, that kind of gun but for Alaska, is mainly useful in torrid areas, i.e. Africa.

10 January 2010, 21:44

Robgunbuilder

Its a well known fact that used cases always provide lower velocities and cause POI to shift to the left and down.-Rob

11 January 2010, 03:23

shootaway

I was back at the range today and except for the chrony,repeated the test.I alsogot in some offhand practice.It was colder today,somewhere around -17 celsius.

100yds open sights

100yds rapid offhand(video)

Shooting Video

11 January 2010, 09:00

IanD

Where you using a shotgun?

11 January 2010, 09:54

0X0

Flinch

11 January 2010, 13:29

shootaway

quote:
Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Its a well known fact that used cases always provide lower velocities and cause POI to shift to the left and down.-Rob

I am going to use reloaded cases next week and check my POI.

11 January 2010, 15:14

jro45

I'm Using IMR4320 with all my loads. For the SP
I use 85.5gr , for the solid I use 83.5gr of powder. These loads are for the 458 Lott and nothing else. Now I have a 26" barrel and my action has been beded.

11 January 2010, 20:57

IanD

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
I am going to use reloaded cases next week and check my POI.

That went right over your head

Rob was being sarcastic...

12 January 2010, 02:48

465H&H

That is an excellent group for off hand at 100 yards.

465H&H

12 January 2010, 02:58

shootaway

quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
That is an excellent group for off hand at 100 yards.

465H&H

Thanks 465!

12 January 2010, 06:04

Peter

Boy you guys are a real trip! You should be proud of yourselves! IanD and OXO, why not show us your 100 yard off hand groups seeing as you are so good at snide comments? Has it occurred to you that, even with your private vendetta against shootaway, other folks might be looking at the information posted for their own use? jro and Ed at least seem to be providing aditional info.
Just MHO, Peter.

12 January 2010, 17:00

jro45

Hope you got the loads.

12 January 2010, 19:43

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Peter:
Boy you guys are a real trip! You should be proud of yourselves!

Peter
Given shootaway's history, attitude for going back and changing and deleting posts after the fact, mis-representing targets "forgeting" which one, outright lies, and utter foolishness, I HIGHLY doubt that these groups are as represented.
Ask him about
shooting for groups with 1 scope ring
"jedi" or "zen" shooting, where he doesn't even look at the target
"malleting" bullets .. no, really ASK ...
Skidoo helmuts
Keyholing bullets due to a 458 being shot out in less than 500 rounds
his THOUSANDS of 458 lott loads shot since APRIL - but he has to take MONTHS off from shooting to recover from his shoulder injuries..

and, my all time favorite -- how failing to clean a bore PROPERLY (which means JB paste to him) can result in a broken stock ...

A close runner up ... using blue locktite on the action screws to adjust POI UP ...

12 January 2010, 22:40

<Andrew cempa>

Jeffe;

I use the jedi mode for 200 Yd Standing Hi-Power, oh, wait, I close my eyes, swing the muzzle back and forth, steady, then open my eyes to check NPA, adjust as needed, tehn proceed to fire....

IF Shootaway indeed fired that group at 100 yds offhand with a 458 Lott, it is decent performance.

As far as locktite on action screws to adjust POI, sounds like bedding issues to me. I have known action screw tension to help attenuate action/barrel harmonics and therefore POI, but not POI directly.

I enjoy Shootawys dedication.

12 January 2010, 23:02

Pegleg

It would be interesting to see Shootaway and Jeffe in a shoot off for accuracy and time.

13 January 2010, 00:33

jeffeosso

and over a chronograph, without a skidoo helmut ..

$100 bucks a shot?

DEFINED target ... like, oh center bull

or, better still, AT a bull target, not a bull's eye....

Andrew, he posts targets with the wrong number of holes in them, with an accompaning video, with the wrong number of shots!

13 January 2010, 02:05

Pegleg

That's big talk and big stakes. It only stands to reason that Shootaway should have home range advantage since Jeffe set the stakes. What say you Jeffe, willing to travel to Montreal if Shootaway agrees?

13 January 2010, 03:24

<Andrew cempa>

Jeffe;

But is IS good entertainment, no?

I'll ref the shoot-off if you guys meet in the middle-I'll provide the range and lodging! Central MO.

Best;

13 January 2010, 03:25

jeffeosso

No -- I ALREADY co-host 2 big bore shoots a year .. He was PERSONALLY invited to the last one, didn't make it .. then again, he tipped his entire african staff $100 on his safari ...

and have some international hunts .. Pegleg, if you want, you can stake him!

Hey Peg ... you want to cover his stake, as you are just

aren't ya?

Georgie won't show .. but he's been invited, and if you think $100 a shot is big bucks, you DO NOT want to go on a trophy fee hunting situation ...

13 January 2010, 03:41

Pegleg

Jeffe- I figured you wouldn't want to go to Canada. No balls to a chalange. You Texans talk big. I won't stake Shootaway but would do some side bets if you travel to Montreal. No problem there!! What is "trophy fee hunting situation"? I'm familiar with trophy fees in Africa. Yes I'm

Why not travel to Canada? Can't get across the boarder? Or just talk a big story. I like money shoots and would be there. I've been to Texas but not Montreal. Let's do this.

13 January 2010, 04:05

shootaway

Pegleg,I'll be at the next "Hoot and Shoot".I'll shoot there and Jeffee can study the paper target in person.You are all welcome to visit me here in Montreal.I could not be at the DSC show.I did not find someone to replace me at work.It seems like I missed a really good one.I hope I do better and get someone to replace me so I can go hunting this summer.Andrew,thanks for the kind words!

13 January 2010, 04:16

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
Jeffe- I figured you wouldn't want to go to Canada. No balls to a chalange. You Texans talk big. I won't stake Shootaway but would do some side bets if you travel to Montreal. No problem there!! What is "trophy fee hunting situation"? I'm familiar with trophy fees in Africa. Yes I'm
Why not travel to Canada? Can't get across the boarder? Or just talk a big story. I like money shoots and would be there. I've been to Texas but not Montreal. Let's do this.

And you are buying which, Hoss? You sure talk a bunch .. you coming to the next hoot-n-shoot? Let's see, I am putting up reputation, money, time and effort .. Shoo-thataway aint agreed to crap, and you are running your mouth ...

Hmm, one of us is putting up green and guts, the other just hot air ... you might take alook at that and determine if you want to try going pro with your hot air sales, and move to DC ..

Again, peg, I put these on twice a year .. you are welcome to come .. .. bring green dollars, though...

Shoo - If you can't get your boomsticks across the border, I'll be happy to loan you my RSM 458 lott .. for a fee, of course ...

13 January 2010, 05:07

Pegleg

Just like I thought. No real guts or you would take the challange in Montreal. Like I said I will put up side bet money and it will match or better your stake money for the contest. I got the guts and money to do it, do you? Why make George travel to Texas? He is a working man with a regular job.
Jeffe, your fun shoots are two African animals to me. Humm- What should I do? Go to Texas or Africa?
Maybe you should moderate and not slam members.

13 January 2010, 05:25

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
Just like I thought. No real guts or you would take the challange in Montreal.

yet another poke you take at me, only i think you call them a "slam"

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
.. I got the guts and money to do it, do you?

looks like you aren't putting up anything but "side" money .. again, a slam, at least a challenge

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
Why make George travel to Texas?

Because there's already a venue he's been invited to, previously, though it's what we call nunya

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
He is a working man with a regular job.

yes? and? same here, pal

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
Jeffe, your fun shoots are two African animals to me.

not sure i get what you are saying .. what two african animals are the cost of airfair to houston from anywhere in the conus? Highest fair, with decent planning, is 300 bucks from cali to houston .. hmm, i don't think you can write down the airfair AND trophy fees for 2 heads there, pal.. even impala and warthog are spendy ..

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg: Humm- What should I do? Go to Texas or Africa?

I inveited you to go pro

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
Maybe you should moderate and not slam members.

Let's see, by a reasonable account, you engaged with me at a personal level, and then called me gutless, at a personal level.. then cried foul when called out for it, again, at a personal level.

You might do well in DC.. and would certainly do well not to pick a fight then go cry about getting one.

oh, keep on posting, it looks even more studly when you carry on about being called out.

Perhaps you'ld do better not slammer other posters, or moderators, if you aren't willing to take a poke right back.

13 January 2010, 06:20

Pegleg

OK- I give up. You work it like you will. An invitation to travel to Montreal for a challange and you decline because of what? You have two shoots in Texas? OK.Makes no logic. You are invited to Montreal. Go or stay home. Nothing else should come into the equation. You set the stakes, why not go and back up your big talk?
My side bets will match or surpass you stake money. Want more, let me know.
Sorry, just checked and round trip to Houston from Seattle is $740.00 which equates to Three Impala and an expensivebottle of Scotch. Go pound sand! Pal.
And like I said, I've been to Texas and would rather spend my money in Africa.
I'm not calling foul, I'm calling it like it is!
Go to Montreal and put George in his place or crawfish. It's up to you to set things straight between you and Shootway. I'm just stirring the pot. But you are welcome to come to Washington and do a money shoot here too unless you don't have the time with your two shoots and all.

Why don't Texans like to leave Texas, anyway?
Washingtonis a wonderful State and I'll put you up and supply the food and drink!You gotta bring the BBQ sauce,though.
Maybe I shouldn't drink before it gets dark. Don't get your panties in a bunch, Jeffe. Shootaway won't come to Texas any more than you would go to Montreal. Just a lot of big talk.
I just wish we could all get along.
You are the one trying to turn this around. Go back up your challange or crawfish, Pal.
I'm done.

13 January 2010, 06:56

Big Bore Boar Hunter

quote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
OK- I give up. You work it like you will. An invitation to travel to Montreal for a challange and you decline because of what? You have two shoots in Texas? OK.Makes no logic. You are invited to Montreal. Go or stay home. Nothing else should come into the equation. You set the stakes, why not go and back up your big talk?
My side bets will match or surpass you stake money. Want more, let me know.
Sorry, just checked and round trip to Houston from Seattle is $740.00 which equates to Three Impala and an expensivebottle of Scotch. Go pound sand! Pal.
And like I said, I've been to Texas and would rather spend my money in Africa.
I'm not calling foul, I'm calling it like it is!
Go to Montreal and put George in his place or crawfish. It's up to you to set things straight between you and Shootway. I'm just stirring the pot. But you are welcome to come to Washington and do a money shoot here too unless you don't have the time with your two shoots and all.
Why don't Texans like to leave Texas, anyway?
Washingtonis a wonderful State and I'll put you up and supply the food and drink!You gotta bring the BBQ sauce,though.
Maybe I shouldn't drink before it gets dark. Don't get your panties in a bunch, Jeffe. Shootaway won't come to Texas any more than you would go to Montreal. Just a lot of big talk.
I just wish we could all get along.
You are the one trying to turn this around. Go back up your challange or crawfish, Pal.
I'm done.

You're stinking up the place.