The CH4D dies are pretty rough and in many case just pure junk...Several of us have had really bad experiences with them, self included....I will never buy another thing from that outfit...

Im seriously consider ordering a new barrel for my swithbarrel CZ from Lothar Walter chambered for the .500 Jeffery.

Ch4d has 2 different version of dies for the 500 Jeffery cartridge, the other is called 12,7x70 shuler.

I thought they were the same, one with the german name and the other with the brittish name.

What are your experience with these dies?

Jeffe, do your have a pair? Perhaps some others allso?

Do I remember somebody complaining about the dimensions of theese dies?

All inputs are really appriciated, thanks

Thomas
in the grand sceme of things, it only matters which reamer drawing your 500 will be made from. the schuler and the 500 jeffery are SUPPOSED to be the same thing as the 275 rigby and the 7x57 mauser...

I got the 500 jeffery dies from ch4d, and I like them.

if you are planning on using deiter's brass, get the 500 jeffe dies, seems to work perfectly.

dave will be VERY happy to talk with you on this, and will fax you prints of the rounds

jeffe

There are 3 or 4 different specifications for the 500 Jeffery, so you need to be sure that your chamber and your dies are to the same specification. A forumite here posting under the handle "ALF" knows the details and can fill you in. I suggest searching for some of his posts and contacting him to see what the bottom line is.

As an example of the differences in specification, one forumite here had a Heym rifle in 500 Jeff which would not fire 500 Jeff ammo from Kynoch.

Thomas,

My experience with CH4D is limited to one die set, which was mediocre at best! I made them work, but for $170 they were crap! They were not even vented!!

I think you would be better off buying a set in Europe (forget the manufacturers name starts with a "T", "Jefferydenmark" has a set of them) or RCBS.

ASS_CLOWN

This one is tough for me to answer...but in fairness to you, I have to do it. I ordered two sets of dies from CH4D in July. I received the .303 British Improved dies and .450 Alaskan dies promptly. When I began to unwrap and inspect I was disappointed. The knurling rings were cut sloppily, the dies were full of chips, and with a sigh I retired to my bench. The price was better than everywhere else, so I cleaned them up and gave them a try. The British dies worked well. Then came the 450 Alaskan dies...the first case came out looking like a slender funnel! I puzzled, looked up the dimensions in several sources, and measured fired cases. My fired cases were within .008" of Ackley's drawing. Okay, my rifle isnt perfect. The CH4D dies shrank my cases .030" below Ackley specs!!! Good grief, I had no shoulder left! So, I calmed down, called the folks at CH4D, wrangled over dimensions a bit, and agreed to send back 3 fired cases and he would make a new set of dies. That was in August- today I sent an email and got a promise to investigate what had happened. Things happen, but come on, folks! I paid about $109 for the 450 dies...and I am still shaking my head because I feel committed. I think they are good people, but my sense is that things are in a rush, or they need to hire some help.

A couple of us have had trouble with CH4D dies. They wouldn't size the neck down enough to hold the bullet. I'm not impressed with them!! I would suggest looking for a more reliable company to make them. $100 a set isn't a savings if they don't work. The dies do make good fishing weights though?
Ghost

I 've got a set of .460 G&A dies from CH4D that crush the cases during resizing. I find thier quality to be less than good and their customer service to be worse yet.

Good luck but I'd get some better quality dies if I were you.

Greg

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ALF,
You are a "Forumnus" and a Magna Cum Laude one, our Valedictorian, and we members here are "forumni." I recognize the drawings from that .500 Jeffery monograph you forwarded to me, so kindly, thanks.

I cannot add anything good about CH4D. One of my .470 Mbogo dies had poorly cut threads on the die body. If there is an RCBS or Redding alternative, go with that, or here is another good source on the other side of the pond, he did a great job on my .404 Jeffery dies:

James Goodwin
North Devon Firearms Services (NDFS)
3 North Street
Braunton EX 33 1aj
England

011-44-1271-813624

I have a custom wildcat set on the way so interested to see having read this thread.

Karl.

I have good results with my ch4 .585 Nyati dies...so maybe it's hit and miss.

My .404 Dies are Redding...they where the cheapest for .404 J Dies

Folks, Jim Goodwin has retired and sold NDFS. And it has since changed hands again.See here
for some info.

You can still see the product range here , but note that the contact details given on this site are those of the now former owners.

Gadge,
Thanks for the info. I purchased my NDFS dies from Jack First's shop in South Dakota, and that was the contact info they gave me for NDFS, apparently from a galaxy far away, long, long ago ... I am happy with the NDFS "old" dies.
RCBS or Redding is the way I would go currently for .500 Jeffery.

I use German Triebel both for my .404 Rimless and my 9,3x63. I find the Triebel dies to be of a very high quality -a snap better than RCBS.

The Triebel company is also very fast in making special order dies. It took them 4 weeks from reciving an original 9,3x63 round from me to that they had delivered the dies at my home -that's good!

http://www.triebel-guntools.de

/Husky

I must say that i have a pair of 450 Rigby dies from CH4D that Im happy with. They do not look great but they work. I have been looking at triebel and it would be much cheaper to get the CH4D dies as long as they are ok. Since I am in europe it would be a catastrophe if I get in to an argue about dimensions with somebody on the other side of the earth. And in the end it would be cheaper allso to get the german ones I guess.

Thanks all for your input.

Would it be safe to say that a Lothar Walther barrel is factory cut with a triebel reamer? Since both is german made.

Perhaps I should go for the Triebel tools after all.

We have encountered problems recently with Norma 470 Nitro brass neck diameter being about .010" smaller than the C.I.P. print. It would be possible to make special dies to work well with the out-of-spec brass but then they would not work with brass of proper dimensions. This poses an interesting problem. Any suggestions?

Our CH4D 500 Jeffery dies are made to the 500 Jeffery dimensions as shown in CIP, Jeffery, & Kynoch drawings. The 12.7 Schuler dies are made to the 12.7X70 dimensions as shown in the CIP drawing. We will supply dimensions on request. The most common problems arise from people not knowing which reamer was used to chamber the rifle and/or the gunsmith not using proper headspace gages when cutting the chamber.
Triebel's 12.7x70 drawing is very close to CIP except Triebel calls for a .508" bullet diameter.
Hope this helps.

Be fair Ray. Admit the dies were made to proper dimensions, you had cheap, out-of-spec brass, & after loading the ammo for your hunting trip you got a full refund on the dies.

Dave,

I am happy with my .585 Nyati dies...only part I am not happy with is Alec from Toy's for big boy's who over charges here in Australia for your products. I want to buy one of your cannelure tools and I want to buy it from you and not through Toy's for Big Boy's !!. I got ripped off over my .585 Nyati dies and I will never deal with Toys for Big boy's in Yulla SA Australia again.

So for me to buy more ch4 products it has to be from you Direct Dave. E-mail me off line if your happy for that to occur in future.

Yes Dave, I am sure you are right but there are a lot of confusion about 500 Jeffery dimensions, an example is that the Brittish Kynnoch made ammo doesnt work fully in a german made rifle.

As I said before, I am happy with my 450 Rigby dies and if I knew the dimensions would match I would'n hesitate order another pair from you.

This is regardless about who made the error, the die maker or the chamber reamer maker, point being that there is confusion about what is right...

Anyway, I should not have dragged in the 12,7x70 because it is obviously an other cartridge and I got confused after reading cartridges of the world.

Dave,
you help with sending me the 500 jeffe drawings certainly helped with my 500 jeffery project...

on my 550 express (you labeled em mag short) dies, i had to turn off ~3/8" of thread on the seating stem to get the bullet and crimp to line up in the die... no big deal, just did it.

i've used these dies for 585, 550 express, 500 jeff and 470 mbogo... works


on undersized brass... even RCBS has this one for a problem... on richard's 577, he ordered 577 NE brass (bertram) and the CU$$TOM dies from RCB$ ... 90 days alter, then dies arrive... and wont size the bertram brass enough to hold a bullet...

call to RCBS... the eventually "admit" that the bertram brass wont work in their days,and about 120 MORE days, he gets back another set of dies, cut to bertram...

wasn't a print problem.... as RCBS KNEW it wouldn't work with BB

jeffe