I was wondering if anyone had tried any of these bullets yet in their bolt guns? If so, how did they feed?

Woodleigh seems to suggest that if you use these bullets, you don't have to pick between softs and solids.

Have a look here Dave.


http://forums.nitroexpress.com...arch=true#Post166734

Von Gruff.

Wow...good stuff!

Con sent some to Michael458, to test, his report is somewhere, in that huge thread of his, Terminal Bullet Performance

S&F

Earlier this morning I had cycled 3 dummy rounds of 480 Hyros through my 450 Dakota M76. I decided to test these bullets prior to loading some rounds as I had not previously used this design.

Well,with three in the magazine....the top round hung up on the bullet's cup nose edge. With only two rounds, no hang up in either a fast or slow cycling.

So without attacking my ramp with a Dremel, it's one in the chamber and only two down below. Not the best, but usable.

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
I was wondering if anyone had tried any of these bullets yet in their bolt guns? If so, how did they feed?

Woodleigh seems to suggest that if you use these bullets, you don't have to pick between softs and solids.

Dave

They can be a little hateful to feed in some guns. They are border line in the Winchesters as I recall. S&F is right, Con sent some of the very first ones available, before they were here in the US even. He sent some 400 gr .458s. They did well in straight penetration, always a bit short of a full solid, but that's what a cup point does, as does the North Fork CPS in some calibers. I tested also in 416 and 9.3 as well, same story. I really can't remember how they fed? I can always load some up and check feeding of those in the Winchesters?

Sam was a bit concerned about the 9.3 and 375 #13s, but I just loaded some 9.3s and they feed slick as snot in the Winchester. Zero issues.

M

Michael,

Don't forget we tested Hydros in the 470 also. I even made you some copies to shoot in your 50 B&M. As I remember they fell short of the flatnoses and were in the 50 inch range which is fine. Also in the 470 barrel pressure and strain were high with the Hydros.

Sam

Sam

470? OK, I forgot. I know we tested a bunch of similar in the 50 B&M too. They all will fall short of a FN solid of course, and they are meant to do so. "Limited Penetration Solid". Oh, OK, yes it just dawned on me--470, barrel strains, terminals I think-I am up to speed now. Yes, they did give high barrel strains, and did so in 458 as well. They are determined by Woodleigh to be "Double Safe" as I understand. If they are then all the #13s and North Forks are "TRIPLE" Double Safe! HEH HEH.......

9.3 #13s feed thru slick as can be, not even a bump!

M

Can someone please explain what is "hydrostatically stabilized" ?

Use of fluid to Make stable and keep from fluctuating or put into an equilibrium.

Express-Rifles.

Thank you for that, interesting? What you are describing is the study of buoyancy but how does this work when the bullet is fired into a solid material?

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how does this work when the bullet is fired into a solid material?

It doesn't ....

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It doesn't ....

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how does this work when the bullet is fired into a solid material?


It doesn't ....

+1 on that cant awsener that...Frankly I dont know

Hmmm, interesting!

Would that then constitute false advertising on the part of Woodleigh?

Just wondering?

Could be cannot comment Im in no way part of Woodleigh you would have to take it up with them.

Perhaps bullets made for shooting in water?
Or perhaps just tested in water?
Or perhaps made for the American Seals?

Warrior

I think its basically means if shot into an animal it has soft tissue and blood the cavity creates less resistance due to it flows through keeping it going straight instead of being knocked around by fluids ...

Warrior:

That thought did come up, by that I mean bullets made for firing into water?

So now could you or perhaps anyone else help, is that bullet stable when fired into water?

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Originally posted by ALF:
Warrior:

That thought did come up, by that I mean bullets made for firing into water?

So now could you or perhaps anyone else help, is that bullet stable when fired into water?

Alf,

I'll worry about that the next time I take my 470 double underwater to hunt sharks.

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:

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Originally posted by ALF:
Warrior:

That thought did come up, by that I mean bullets made for firing into water?

So now could you or perhaps anyone else help, is that bullet stable when fired into water?

Alf,

I'll worry about that the next time I take my 470 double underwater to hunt sharks.

465H&H

I hope that 470 Double is stainless? Maybe that gunkote stuff will work? Hey, I got some sharks not far from me, come on down and I will see what I can get worked up for us, we will test those Woodleighs see how they do?

HEH

Michael

I think they were made for shooting under water mines. Or they copied the bullet that was designed to do that. At least I think I read that somewhere. Ugliest bullet I have ever seen and nothing special about them that I can see. I know 465H&H liked them on one of his elephant. I'm sure the cup point does create a lot of trauma. I know the BBW cup point I shot my buffalo with sure knocked the crap out of him.

No way, I am scared silly of sharks. I think I may have been eaten by one in an earlier life.

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
No way, I am scared silly of sharks. I think I may have been eaten by one in an earlier life.

465H&H

ME TOO! I saw "Jaws" when I was a teenager, I would not even go close to the creek, much less a big pond!

Sam

I think if one wanted a Cup Point---I would do a BBW #13 in brass! Better looking bullet. But I am just struggling to find a real use for a Cup Point? I would use one, no issues, have faith in what it does for sure, but there should be something we can do to make a "Better Cup Point" design, I have some ideas about that, remind me when you come down! Maybe we can make some up and test them.

M

That's the way I feel about LIONS!

Michael,

I'LL be glad to make some more cup points to test. My files are getting rusty. Need to give you something to keep you busy anyway.

Sam

Yeah, don't want me to be slacking off any. This week I start PTs on the 50 B&M AK, first ones ever, hooked up a wire to a Marlin and will start that tomorrow. Also hooked up a 50 B&M SS, get pressures on the new North Forks, and a bunch of new bullets since the last PTs. So just those two things alone is a few weeks shooting. Then back on the new 9.3 CEB BBW#13s, pressures and terminals. Two rifles getting ready for Africa, 500 MDM and 50 B&M, have scopes to sight in, have POIs to do on about 4-5 different loads and bullets that I will be testing. So that takes up some more time there. Don't get the damned files out just yet!

HEH....

M

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
That's the way I feel about LIONS!

Hmmmmm? Well I can tell you right now, I know for a fact I can't out swim a shark! I don't think I can out run a lion either! I think I am screwed!

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Originally posted by michael458:

Hmmmmm? Well I can tell you right now, I know for a fact I can't out swim a shark!

Thats because you are not hydrostatically stabilized. Come on over and we'll reconfigure your skull to match those Woodleighs, not a problem.

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Originally posted by michael458:
I don't think I can out run a lion either! I think I am screwed!

Which is why I'd allow you on my next safari only if you can't outrun me either.

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

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Originally posted by michael458:

Hmmmmm? Well I can tell you right now, I know for a fact I can't out swim a shark!

Thats because you are not hydrostatically stabilized. Come on over and we'll reconfigure your skull to match those Woodleighs, not a problem.

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Originally posted by michael458:
I don't think I can out run a lion either! I think I am screwed!

Which is why I'd allow you on my next safari only if you can't outrun me either.

The next evolutionary step beyond "Conehead" ...

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

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Originally posted by michael458:

Hmmmmm? Well I can tell you right now, I know for a fact I can't out swim a shark!

Thats because you are not hydrostatically stabilized. Come on over and we'll reconfigure your skull to match those Woodleighs, not a problem.

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Originally posted by michael458:
I don't think I can out run a lion either! I think I am screwed!

Which is why I'd allow you on my next safari only if you can't outrun me either.

I might can out run you, at least for a short distance, and all depending on how close the lion is!

I can get pretty damned fast with a lion nipping at me Arse!

HEH
M

MacJ

Hmmmm-Coneheads, dip heads! Yeah, that's what we can call em, "Dip Heads"!

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

quote:

Originally posted by michael458:

Hmmmmm? Well I can tell you right now, I know for a fact I can't out swim a shark!

Thats because you are not hydrostatically stabilized. Come on over and we'll reconfigure your skull to match those Woodleighs, not a problem.

quote:

Originally posted by michael458:
I don't think I can out run a lion either! I think I am screwed!

Which is why I'd allow you on my next safari only if you can't outrun me either.

I might can out run you, at least for a short distance, and all depending on how close the lion is!

I can get pretty damned fast with a lion nipping at me Arse!

HEH
M

MacJ

Hmmmm-Coneheads, dip heads! Yeah, that's what we can call em, "Dip Heads"!

Well, if you can outrun me, you have to stay home - I need someone who can play "smoochie-face" with the lion while I skee-dadle (or reload).

"Dipheads"? I'd get in trouble ordering a box of them because being a Brooklyn boy I'd probably slip back to "Brooklynese" and a slightly different word might be spoken...

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:


I might can out run you, at least for a short distance, and all depending on how close the lion is!

I can get pretty damned fast with a lion nipping at me Arse!

HEH
M

MacJ

Hmmmm-Coneheads, dip heads! Yeah, that's what we can call em, "Dip Heads"!

Well, if you can outrun me, you have to stay home - I need someone who can play "smoochie-face" with the lion while I skee-dadle (or reload).

"Dipheads"? I'd get in trouble ordering a box of them because being a Brooklyn boy I'd probably slip back to "Brooklynese" and a slightly different word might be spoken... [/QUOTE]


Had a big snake chasing me arse once, one can be surprised at how fast you can be--I am not sure I could have been caught on high speed camera that day! Just a blur busting through the bush that day I tell you!

HEH....

Our tracker Daneesa set a new high-jump record when he nearly stepped on a black mamba. I never thought a human could out-jump an Impala but he did on that day

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Originally posted by ALF:
Can someone please explain what is "hydrostatically stabilized" ?

The designers/makers themselves (Woodleigh only retails them) are from a metal industry background ... from memory.

The blurb reads:
"Hydrostatic stabilization is a technique that has been used in the brass extrusion industry for many years. It is a method of producing pierced hollow bars to very precise concentricity by using tool design to harness hydrostatic forces to centralise mandrels when punching through brass billets."

Further on ... "depressed nose at the leading edge of the bullet 'cores' the medium through which its travelling which then creastes a 'pressure ring' . The coring and pressure ring balance each other out to stabilise the bullet in the direction of travel. "

Later there's the mention of cavitation bubbles etc...

I have two rifles that refuse to feed them. Both will need gunsmith intervention. For better or worst, anecdotal reports indicate they are cutting what appear to be wider wound channels than conventional 'solids' and their performance on game is more akin to a 'hard soft' projectile. But with the benefits of a solid in achieving complete penetration on soft game.
Cheers...
Con