HI,

I have talk about the 50AK,I am intersted in the 50-110 and if anyone has reloading data on it I would like to see it.I know it is a longer case than the 50AK and I think it is the same size diameter,which is .510.I am sure it will shoot with more fps than a 50AK with the same bullet,if anyone has any information I would appreciate to hear it. Thanks,Kev

Kev,

Reports I have seen say the .50-110 blackpowder case was used by Winchester first in the '86 Winchester, then transitioned to smokless with a 300 gr lead bullet at 2,225 fps and then for the .348 Winchester case -- which itself was then necked up to become the .50 Alaskan (talk about what goes around comes around).

Cartridges of the World says the case is 2.40" as opposed to the 2.26 " length of the .348 Win.

I am working with teh Heavy Express .450 Short Mag now, that is the .348 Win case without a rim, case blown out, shoulder sharpened and necked to .458".

The basic answer to moving a heavier bullet faster is a bigger case.

jim dodd

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I would love to find someone that could re-barrel my old Win. M71 to 50-110. I believe the Alaskan is a shortened case that will feed in a Marlin. The M71 was made to work at about 40 ksi so I would expect the 50-110, if loaded to this level, to be quite a canon.
C.G.B.

Hopefully we can get John Ricks to post about his 50 cal lever gun, it uses a stretched 50 AK case, and the goal was 5000 fpe, at safe pressure, though I don't know if he's finished his load work. He's posted pic's of it several times.

HI,

A MR. D. Clay at DRC custom Guns is making me a 50-110 on a Win 86.It is longer than the 50AK and will shoot the same bullet at higher FPS.I had a 50AK in a Marlin and put it up for sale as the Marlin will not handle the longer COL like the WIN86.Also I was informed that the Win 86 can handle the stronger pressure than a Marlin.I wish I had known this before I spent so much money doing up my Marlin,live and learn,still looking for reloading data for the 50-110,Thanks,Kev

Kev I will get the 50-110 winchester about the middle to the last of January.I will give you all my reloading data at that time as I get it. How are you building up the 50 from Dave Clay?

1886

HI,

1886, well the first thing I had to do is get a Win86 as it can handle the COL and the pressure.I am selling my Marlin 50AK and will take a big loss.If I knew that the Marlin could not handle the COL or the pressure I would have never gone with it,but just have got the Win86,live and learn.I am going to get a 22inch barrel and a short muzzel brake.I will have the action smoothed out and trigger done scout scope set-up.detachable mount with gost ring rear and a front post.I than will rust proof it and would like a synthenic stock.when you get some reloading data please let me know,I think it will give about 250fps more than a 50AK,correct me if I am wrong. Thanks,Kev

Kev from what I understand you can easily get a 450 grain to 2400 and a 525 grain to 2200 or better without getting close to the pressure limitations of the 86 action . But the recoil in a 7 1/2 pound carbine will be stout to say the least. This is what mine weighs. The next one will be a 9lb rifle with a 26 inch barrel. Hey if you dont have the 86 yet I know where there is a 86 takedown for $1100 new. Anyway I will give the info to you when I get it all Good luck

1886

While we are on this, have any of you considered using one of the new Browning/Winchester M71 or 1886's as a base?
These should be stronger than an old 86 or original M71 and much cheaper. What twist are they using in the Alaskan? As I understand it the original .50-110 used a very slow twist (1:50?) which did nothing for accuracy. Hey 1886, if you get your rifle how about some photos? I am very much interested in how the forend is attached and where the barrel comes from.
C.G.B.

I have used the browning 86 and 71 as a base The metalurgy of the modern rifles are superior to the originals .The design of course is the same but modern models will take a lot more pressure than the originals.Pressure is not a problem in these modern rifles but the ability of the shooter to tolerate recoil is. The rifles I have are 20 inch twist . As for pictures when I learn how to work this computer better I will post the pictures hopefully real soon. I really dont care for the modern 86 winchesters because of the rebounding hammer but they are readily available and nice quality rifles. If I didnt have the browning already I would definately go with one of the new winchesters.

1886

FWIW: I had ol' Les Bauska make me a .510 barrel for my 50 Alaskan (siamese) project and he mentioned that he had a .50-110 reamer in the drawer as well :-) Jeff P

I have a 1886 carbine in 50-110, for which I reload.
Mfg. year is 1917.
The 50-110 case, shortened & necked down gave birth to the .348, and in turn the .348 gave birth to the Alaskans ( 45 & 50)
My carbine is marked 50 EX. which means 50-110-300, and its rifling twist is very long, so heavy bullets do not stabilize.
I�ve shot up to 400 gr, but heavier slugs keyhole.
My two standard molds now are 320 & 350- home made both.
Brass used : Bertram , Bell, and for the very first experiments 32 ga. brass shotshells.
My actual load is 40 gr 2400 with both 320 & 350 speed is around 1800. so far, safe.
Looking for reloading data to reproduce the high speed load ( 2200 fps)
My only fear is that being the bolt face split, there is a slight primer bulging and I would hate having a blown primer. The 1892, being basically a scaled down 1886 also marks the primers similarly.
If anyone out there is building a 50-110, remember to use a quicker twist barrel so as to avoid any bullet weight limitations.
Anyway I doubt that there would be any significant difference with the Alaskan.

I have an original 1895 Marlin Square Bolt in .50-110 that I ought in 1990. This is a .35 Winchester rifle rebored and rechanbered to .50-110. When originally looking for loading data, the reloading companies would not reply to emails or letters. I nailed the Hercules (Alliant) representative at the NRA Annual Meeting in Anaheim, CA as to why the "no reply" from anyone.

He told me officially, the reloading companies will not give data for a cartridge without a SAAMI specification. The 50-110 is not a SAAMI specification cartridge. He told me unofficially, to use the heavy load listings in a .45-70 table for starters in the .50-110 which was what I was doing anyway.

HI,

I have got more information on the 50-110,it case is 2.4 and the 50AK is 2.1,the marlin cannot handle the COL,but a Win 86 can. I am having one done by MR. CLAY,and from what I have been told peolpe are getting around 2200fps with a 525 grain bullet.Thanks,Kev

I just found this very interesting page , by coincidence. I do have a brand new Browning at home from a friend that offered it to me to buy.For almost 2 years I had my mind set on a Marlin in 450 AK from Wid West Guns in AK , but after I read this .....well I changed my mind !Please keep on posting your results , since I`ve not yet decided what caliber to use.But 50-110 sounds terrific to me !!

HI,

Jurgen,talk to MR. Dave Clay at DRC Custom Guns,he can fill you in more on the 50-110 and will make you one on your browning.Also I believe Buffalo Bore Ammo are testing loads for the 50-110 with great results,but talk to them.Thanks,Kev PS: Starline is making brass for the 50-110 soon

Hi kev , thanks for the info ! Could you give me the adresse too ? Preferably an E-mail adr. or a Fax No. (a phone call bill will kill me !) Do you have any idea how much a conversion will cost ??Just roughly , since everybody has to work for his money and I do have the disadvantage that I`ll have to add shipping and TAX/Duty on it !
Thanks , J�rgen

HI,

The E-mail address is DRCCGS@aol.com,talk to Dave Clay as how much the cost will be will depend on what you have done.T he conversion alone is not a whole lot. Dave will work with you,Kev

Hi kev, I`ll mail him and bug him with questions !Listen , since you want to sell your Marlin in 50AK , how much do you want for it ?? What exactly has been done to it ??

HI,

I have everything done on it except a take down.It has a 20 inch barrel, quick release scout scope,ghost ring and front post,action and trigger job,synthenic stock,rustproofing,it was done by Wild West Guns and was a costly project. I and asking a good amount,but I am taking a large loss on it .Kev PS: it has a leapold scope 2.5

Hi kev , so what ? How much $$$$$$$$$$ ?
I know the Wild West Guns pricelist , spell the exact sum and I wll listen !You can reach me via E-mail at CPO-P3@motorrad.net if you want , thanks J�rgen

Badger Barrels of Bristol WI. Makes barrels for Mod 86/71 For 50 Alaska / 50-110. I am going to have Ernie make up one of the Octagon barrels for my early 86 action. This barrel has the dovetails cut in the appropiat places and every thing. Choose from Round, Half round,half oct. or full oct.

Hi RCHAPURA , do you have the E-Mail adresse ? If they sell the barrels , are these with chamber , ready to install ? How much are they ? Do they have different twist rates ? Thanks J�rgen

Jurgen, I will be working with Erine at the shot show on Febuary 2,3. I will return and give you the newest prices and facts.

This sounds really good , I`m waiting for your answer !If he could make a barrel to just srew in and be ready that would help me a lot , simply because shipping a gun with a rifled barrel out of Germany is a pain in the a...!But on the other hand buying a barrel and getting it into the country is really simple !Thanks so far , J�rgen

the barrels are $355. Ernie calls them 86 Barrels. We soid a lot of product at the show. At this point It will be a 8 month wait if ordered soon.

www.badgerbarrels.com

Thanks for the info , I`ll give Badgerbarrels a call / E-mail soon !The price sounds very reasonable to me , depending on the details of course .If anybody has a gun like that ready , PLEASE post it on this Forum for the rest of us !

By now David Clay has announced a conversion of the Marlin 1895 to 50-110. Don't need those Whinechesters any more.

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Who makes dies for the 50-110?
Thanks for any help

50-110 dies can be ordered from several different sources. CH4D specilizes in these "special" dies and their prices are very reasonable. You can also custom order a set from RCBS but they are more expensive. Good luck. Ming

HI,

I have talk to Dave Clay about the Marlin 50-110 and he said that he made a marlin into a 50-110 just to prove it could be done.He said that it is a great deal of more work than on a 71 or win 86 and that the 71 or win 86 are still better for the 50-110 and that it would be better to go with the 71 or win 86. Thanks,Kev