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the only advantages, to my mind, a double has compared to a bolt action is that you have two separate actions in one, and that you can fire two rounds fast. To me doubles are stoppers/crushers and not much more, they are not ideal for long range shooting or to use a variety of loads. You mostly work up one softpoint and one solid.

It's made for close range fighting and should be easy to aim/fire by instinct. I'm a bolt action man soo, if I should choose a double it would be something like a 577 Nitro. The heavy 577 bullets have better SD than bullets from a 600. More work with less fuss [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

/ JOHAN

Johan, you are quite correct in your assesment of where a DGR is used, up close! Because animals are only dangerous when they are close and angry, one must use what is most effecient up close! I believe the question was "How can people use a double rifle for dangerous game"

,The answer to that question is simply nothing is better, for that purpose! The features you list, as the only thing better in a double, are what makes it the best choice for DANGEROUS GAME!

I use a bolt rifle a lot, and you are right again, if one wants to plink at 300 yds on game, there is no better rifle made than a very accurate Bolt, or single shot rifle with a quality scope mounted, and adjusted to perfection. However, lets not get snipeing, and dangerous game hunting confused as being one thing, because they are not, and require different tools. As I said before game is only dangerous if close, and about to do you harm. Shooting Cape Buffalo, at 300 yds, or even 100 yds is NOT dangerous game hunting, but I can kill a cape buffalo as far with a double as you can with a bolt rifle! You shouldn't fall for this misconception, that a double rifle is only accurate at close range, I can ring the gong at 300 yds with any double rifle I have ever owned. That is simply a matter of knowing your rifle, and being able to shoot it, no different from shooting you bolt rifle. I watched a PH kill an Impala out past 250 yds with a 470NE double rifle, with one shot from the right barrel, but he had been shooting that rifle since he was a kid, the rifle belonged to his father before him.

Johan, nobody is puting bolt rifles down, I happen to own over 70 bolt action rifles, so I guess one could say I like them, where they are best. Dangerous game simply isn't their best use, given what constitutes DANGEROUS where game is concerned! [Cool]
 
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Don't mean to be pissing in the wind, but that was what I tired to explain to Overkill. Doubles are prefered because it's like two rifles in one, mecanicly I mean. No hard feelings chappy [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

I prefer bolts, but If someone gave me a double in 577. I wouldn't turn it down [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Is everything crystal clear [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

/ JOHAN
 
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No hard feelings chappy [Big Grin]
Is everything crystal clear [Big Grin]

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There weren't any hard feelings from my end, and I didn't think there was from your end! I guess I'm going to have to place a lot more smiley faces in my posts! It seems a lot of people take my matter 0f fact way of saying things as anger. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] Nothing could be farther from my intention! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Wink]

I simply like to answer a question with as few routes for confusion as possible, and that comes out a little dry, I suppose. It makes little difference if anyone agrees with me or not, that is not my purpose in answering a question, that I know the answer to. The answers ,opinions, and examples I present, are sold for the price the reader is willing to pay. The tag isn't high, because I only paid in time to learn them from someone else. [Wink]

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Why not just a Browning BAR in .338 with a .416 or .458 barrel? Less recoil than a double which helps with instant followup, 3 rounds + 1 in the chamber, and 400gr. .416 and 500gr. .458 can hurt a lot of stuff! I've seen action parts somewhere designed for these conversions (for the .416 anyways) and it would be a good backup gun.
 
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Because Semi-Automatics are not allowed in some countries.
 
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Simi autos are prone to jamming, they are not allowed by law in ANY African country for hunting purposes....
 
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MickyB, outside autos not being legal, the same as a bolt rifle if it jams, or gets a misfire, you are out of service till the jam can be cleared, of the misfired cartridge ejected, before you can continue your fight. With a lion chargeing you at 30 yds, you have a max of two seconds to get off a shot, and a half second to get off the second one, if you miss. My question to you is, how long do you think it would take you to clear a jam in a BAR? The simple fact is if anything at all happens to the first barrel,of a double, all one must do is change triggers, and if that barrel is completely out of service, you still have a single shot. With a bolt,single shot, or any othe single barrel rifle, when it is out of servise in any way, you are left with a fancy club to fight with. [Eek!]
 
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Guys...!

If you have seen 470Mbogos video when he shoot 3-4 shoots with his 470Mbogo then I think that you also say that it is a faster 3nd and 4nd shoots than with a double rifle.
 
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Simi autos are prone to jamming, they are not allowed by law in ANY African country for hunting purposes....

I agree they should be called "jamomatic" and be fitted with bayonet lug from factory. I guess the only chance is to have bayonet on or use it as a club if it jams [Big Grin]

I have never owned a jamomatic for hunting and will never do soo.

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Oh well! It was worth a shot, wasn't it? I know a of a guy up here who took his relatives bear hunting and wouldn't carry anything but a BAR in .338 "just in case" but in that instance, there is more than one gun pointed at an animal. Just a little insurance. IMO, I think the Ruger Safari model is really sexy and wouldn't mind one in a nice big bore, but I've never hunted DG before so you're the experts here! [Smile]
 
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