Ed,
I think Axel is a bit jealous.When the closest thing you have to a bigbore is a plastic toy, these threads can start to place a strain on pride.

Hopefully we will get to see some more pictures of his before long. And some new 'wildcats' too.
Maybe the 50 Beowulf necked up to take a lithocarb pill.


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Ed,
Realize that the 600 OK and 12ga FH won't be turning any shooting world on it's ear, since the rifles are:
1.) Too heavy for the average man to hunt with
2.) Kick too hard for the average man to hunt with
3.) Cost too much for the average man to hunt with

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Hmmmmm ...I guess we could say that is why the 700nitro and 585 Nyati were never produced?

Moron.

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If you don't agree with something or someone just drop it and go on. Or, do you argue with every moron you come across in your life? I could care less if you think I am a moron. Doesn't bother me.

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Good because we really really like calling you a moron.

Your turn moron.

Karl.

heck karl,
577's ar 14#... and they were considered to be light weights about the turn of the century... a real gun weighed 18-20#, caarried by little runty english men during "battle"...

recoil of a well stocked 600 should be less than a lightweight 460... and DEFINATLY less than a 4 bore... but mere mortals managed them..

Besides, who owns a big bore that wants to settle for average?

jeffe

Ed Hubel posted:

Do you seem to come off here, like your alter-whatever Scott, when he posted pics of his collection, thus making fun of big bore shooters due to the
22 and BB-gun????? Ed.

Ed,

I thought you were about ending troll and forum wars.

You have less control than Robgunbuilder.

All your emails were bullshit.

Go and check my postings from my profile and you will find I am the only one who does not respond to ScottS, Mauser etc. But they do not need my responses when all you blokes that hate trolls keep on responding

I sent you an email just after you made your 22 and BB-gun posting. Four hours later you are still responding to trolls.

Mike

All of the brass has finally arrived and I will Divy it up and send it out this weekend to all the dirty dozen and the folks who have asked for samples. Thanks to all of you for your patience and consideration. I can't wait to see what it does in Africa.-Rob

Mike-I responded to the idea and impression that I got from the post.Isn't that what we all do in answering and posting to what we read,I did it in a civil manner.Asking a
question.Same queation I asked him privately. And he insisted it was his right to make his posts a putdown
of anyone he wanted to, no matter what.
Mike if I am not to respond to trolls, as you say, then everyone that someone calls a troll, is off limits.Look all
who was on that stupid voting list.
And the later response was to show he was wrong about
the value and cost of these cartridges to the average man(One whose wallet is measured in mm).Do you agree with what I said about the 600 OK, as being a means for the average guy to have a big bore blaster.In the same vein the 12 GA FH is also what the
average guy can afford and can be built on a Savage Model shotgun 210 bolt action costing 430 bucks, a 150 buck heavy 12 ga barrel,chamber, add a little weight, run moderate pressures, and you have a Paradox type gun, with more muzzle
energy than a 600NE.Ed.

Rob, I would like to buy 10 cases from you if you could spare that many. I emailed the address in your profile but didn't get a responce, maybe it didn't make it through.
idahobronco@aol.com
Thanks.

Ed,

Check part of your repsonse which I posted in my previous posting and here it is again:

Do you seem to come off here, like your alter-whatever Scott, when he posted pics of his collection, thus making fun of big bore shooters due to the
22 and BB-gun????? Ed.

That is not answering a question........that is inviting a response.......did you need to include the above to answer the question??

Mike

Rob,
Don't forget the gauges, I need those to get her up and running.

hubel458-

I do not know if you are a troll or not but I have seen you making a lot of claims with your very big wildcat cartridges but I have not yet seen any picture of any of your big bore rifles and their performance on game. Are you for real? Could you enlighten us about your big bore rifles and their performance on game? Have you ever hunted big dangerous game with your big bore rifles? Are you an amateur gun builder like Robgunbuilder or you are just an armchair wildcat dreamer? Anybody can make claims about their own wildcat cartridge design with some paper ballistics but that does not mean crap unless you have the actual hardware and field testing to back them up.

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You can invent different cartridge configurations, called
designing cartridges, or wildcatting, bur you can't patent them. Your over-enthusiastic praise for Rob's cartridge seems like making fum of it to me.It is a great cartridge and the best one in that range of midbore calibers but, it is not akin to motherhood or apple pie.
Do you seem to come off here, like your alter-whatever Scott, when he posted pics of his collection, thus making fun of big bore shooters due to the
22 and BB-gun????? Ed.

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I posted pic before of my Enfield 458 HE,haven't one of

my Ruger 458HE.My 510 is apart with barrel over at Dan's

being rebored to 550.For a longer version of the 550 Mag.

I have posted pictures of all my cartridges.

My first wildcat a long 600 made from Boyes brass, from many years ago I did nothing with.Will in the future.My 700

HE needs a rifle.Barrel coming and getting there.All here know these things.As far as game performance I have gotten deer with Ruger 458HE.I posted pics of my cases, a Greener action that I am making bigger and

I am working on, posted pic of my case spinner lathe.



I am adding this for Mauser, so it seems from your post if a

fella can't get to Africa to put lead into something, take

pic of same, then he can't have a wildcat??????That's interesting thought, next thing you know it might be a

prerequisite to posting on here!!!!!!!



As far as building up a 600 OK, for a comparison,I can do it for less than I quoted for others.

Just buy a 150 buck barrel and stick on my already done

Enfieldthat my 510 was on and I can build reamer, have dies

that will work already.600 barrel from bauska.And action and stock I have 200 bucks in including lead weighted.

Don't need brakes or mercury reducers.Here is pic of 458HE

Enfield,will get one of my Ruger when boy can do it.And

later on the 550 and 700 .If lucky will be done this year.

The pic is close up of Enfield

with shell in action.We also have a bunch of other common

stuff. 12 ga, 20 ga, 22, 303, and sks.Family has a

military rifle collection..AS far as testing, I have the

458HE tested 1900 rounds, two barrel lengths, 5 bullet wts,

17 powders.This over a four year period.Vel chronographed.

510 tested a 100 rounds one bullet wt.From these tests refined math so I know what the bigger 700 will do, getting headstamp set up for 700HE.I have a dozen who want cases,

even though I don't have gun done for it yet.Ed.

Ed
Dont get sucked in.


I see you have worked with enfields I was checking mine out for mag box work. I was thinking if I rebuilt the box so it didnt tuck up into the action at the front and back. Making it like my mauser flush with the bottom of the action and even with the ends of the opening it would end up 100thousands longer than my 458 lott shell (3.7")I dont have my capstick brass yet but it should be the same lenght. I would have to make the front of the action the feed ramp instead of that tab on the top of the box. Now one could also take a bit more off the back and front to open it up but would you need to? Is this the way most open the enfield up? Do you have to make the box wider? I was going to make it deeper by milling out a "pregnant box cover"
I know im green at this but ill get there.
Dean

Tonto-I just wanted him posting what he says he has, not some thing mocking.So I should be willing to do same.

As for Enfield it is best to lengthen action opening to the back, so as not to have to remove too much from bottom reciever lug shoulder to make a ramp.And that is the extent

of my expertize with magazine work.All of my guns are test guns and are single shot.Only hunt single shot.There are real craftsmen on here who can help you more.Ask in

gunsmithing forum.



Scott-I am anti-social most would say, and a few bad vibes

solder it.Don't like front wheel drive junk,vinyl siding,

new movies, cities, advertizing, lawyers, bars, Etc.

And the comparison I gave for average Joe is what you could build OK for on a boltgun, compared to buying a 600NE double at 10 to 30 grand.If average guy sent most of it out

and it cost 2 grand, that fits the term average to me anyway

compared to 10 to 30 grand.I am encouraging a ststem wher the little guy can have his 600 dream come true.Ed.

Ed
Thanks I dont think Ill have to do much to the front at all. Gonna tack up a box with my idea and give it a shot. This week end I hope to mill off the ears. My boy finished my new bolt handle yesterday. When my brass arrives ill strip the bolt(something I still have to figger out) Then ill open the bolt face up. Install the cock on open cam and new trigger. Then tig on my new handle. I am taking pictures as i go after the ears are off Ill post the first.
Dean

Tonto-There is a simple math deal to get the box the right width, which is most crucial or you will have trouble,
with feeding if you are building double row mag.Multiply
case diameter by 1.866 for width, base and shoulder.Ed.

Rob
If you have some brass to spare I would like to buy some. Anywhere from 5 to 20 depends on what you have. As soon as i finish the capstick i will start one. I tried emails with no luck. Maybe Im not worthy
Dean

Rob,

Received my brass and it is awesome! Thanks for all the hard work you have put in on this project and your continuing development of this cartridge.

Take care,

John