G'day all,

I have a CZ 550 in 416 Rigby with their wooden stock. Shooting off the bench and the rifle kicks a bit, not so much when standing etc. Yep I need to harden up a bit.

Living in Australia means I have to find a retailer who will export this stock to Aust.

Thats the back ground now my questions are: has anybody compared the weight, felt recoil and the feel of the rifle with a wooden stock and a Kevlar stock? Any calibres but prefereable on CZ 550 and magnum calibres, including the 9.3X62.

Greg

Weight of the CZ Kevlar stock for 550 magnum rifle is 2.5 pounds.
About same weight as the walnut Euro "Lux" stock,
and about 1/2 pound lighter than the chubby "American" walnut stock.

The recoil differences are inconsequential except for the the fit and feel of the Kevlar for me is better,
when LOP is corrected from 13.75" (factory)
to 14.5" by adding proper slip-on pad/spacer.
The palm-swell on the Kevlar stock feel very good to me too.

Other worthwhile improvements include placement of the forearm sling stud on the tip,
and reinforcing the front of the sheetmetal magazine box,
plus trigger and safety of choice.

.375/404 Jeffery Saeed of 2012









.395 Tatanka













.416 Rigby

RIP, thanks for that info it is just what I was after.

Cheers

Greg

I have one on a .458 lott I like it much better than the humpy and it won't crack. Pricey but worth it.

RIP thats cool about the sling stud how did you do that?

RIP rules (but I'd want a hogback for my ZKK 602).

My 416r started wood and went plastic eventually. Plastic does feel better in the kick department to me. But if you are going to "Lead Sled" this rifle, then your Kevlarplastic stock is better. Wood is more likely to crack in the sled, especially if you over use the lead. I heard this from Wayne at AHR. Somehow I didn't learn this the hard way. A first for me.

I have a hogger for sale

Pix?

Of the CZ550 stock? I'll get some. Sorry for Hijack I'll pM ya

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Originally posted by BNagel:
Pix?

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I have one on a .458 lott I like it much better than the humpy and it won't crack. Pricey but worth it.

RIP thats cool about the sling stud how did you do that?

Rule 303,
The fancy one is from Brockman. It is a small flat bar buried in the barrel channel and secured with screws and covered over with the bedding epoxy.
The other one is just an Uncle Mike's stud screwed and epoxied into the forearm tip.
Filler screw for the empty hole in the underside of the forearm is flush.

Yep, the CZ "Kevlar" sock is made by Bell & Carlson, like their Medalist with full aluminum/"aluminium" alloy endoskeleton from butt to forearm tip.
About as stable and strong as a stock gets, at medium weight.

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Originally posted by BNagel:
RIP rules (but I'd want a hogback for my ZKK 602).

If I ruled anything it would be only to assure against totalitarianism and fascism in all things.
Even for rifle stocks.
I like the "Hogback" walnut stock too, but not as much as I like the "Kevlar."

Thanks RIP.

I just need to find a retailer who will ship to Australia. Any body know any retail who handels CZ rifles that will send to Australia?

Rule

For what it's worth, I have a 375 Whelen that a beautiful walnot stock that I use for load testing and plinking. When went hunting I used a Kevlar, fiber glass stock.
The walnut stock with a case full of powder and a 300 grain slug would stand you up from the bench. The plastic stock would give a mighty push using the same load. I think the stock absorbed some of the recoil by flexing and the recoil pad compressing.

Jim

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Originally posted by arkypete:
Rule

For what it's worth, I have a 375 Whelen that a beautiful walnot stock that I use for load testing and plinking. When went hunting I used a Kevlar, fiber glass stock.
The walnut stock with a case full of powder and a 300 grain slug would stand you up from the bench. The plastic stock would give a mighty push using the same load. I think the stock absorbed some of the recoil by flexing and the recoil pad compressing.

Jim

That may well be. I have heard that said many times.
I hope it is true.
Just one more reason to save the walnut as a fancy garment for the safe-queen CZ rifle,
and hunt with CZ Kevlar stock.

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Originally posted by Rule 303:
Thanks RIP.

I just need to find a retailer who will ship to Australia. Any body know any retail who handels CZ rifles that will send to Australia?

Rule 303,

The only way I know of to get the CZ Kevlar stock is from CZ-USA out of Kansas City, Kansas.

They must have a proprietary deal with Bell & Carlson, also in Kansas, whereby they supply that stock only to CZ.

I have never asked about exporting one from Kansas to Australia.

From the CZ-USA 2012 Product Catalog:

RIFLE STOCKS

"Is it time for an upgrade?
Are you planning a hunting trip and want to avoid ruining your prized piece of wood?
Whatever the case may be, we have the stocks for your situation.
From traditional Turkish walnut to cutting-edge laminates and Kevlar options,
CZ-USA has factory direct replacement stocks and after market options."

www.cz-usa.com

http://shop.cz-usa.com

1-800-955-4486 telephone number is toll free in USA.

Call and ask for the "parts guy."

I found that the synthetics do absorb more recoil. I have a mcmillan .416 that is pretty light and a M70 in wood and shooting them off the bench the mcmillan is much more pleasant. I talked to kelly at mcmillan and he has heard it many times, almost drops it a caliber in felt recoil. Must absorb it instead of just transferring it. No chance of it cracking either

gunslinger55

I have a wood hogback ZKK 602 Brno. Curious about a hogback Kevlar, not another wood stock. Pix fine either way...

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Originally posted by RIP:

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Originally posted by Rule 303:
Thanks RIP.

I just need to find a retailer who will ship to Australia. Any body know any retail who handels CZ rifles that will send to Australia?

Rule 303,

The only way I know of to get the CZ Kevlar stock is from CZ-USA out of Kansas City, Kansas.

They must have a proprietary deal with Bell & Carlson, also in Kansas, whereby they supply that stock only to CZ.

I have never asked about exporting one from Kansas to Australia.

I have read they do, however if CZ has an importer in Australia that may be your answer.

I have synthetic stocks on a Remington 700, Ruger M77 Hawkeye, and on a Browning X-Bolt. The Kevlar stock on my CZ 550 American 9.3x62 is the best balanced, most comfortable, and is the accurate rifle I own. For a hunting rifle, I like B&C's durable aluminum bedding. I would not hesitate to consider a Bell & Carlson stock if I needed a replacement for the factory stocks on my other rifles.

Fellas thanks for the replies.
I have a Rem 700 in 375H&H ina cheap SPS plastic stock and it weighs bout 2ib less than my CZ550 in 375H&H but the felt recoil in the Rem is way less.

RIP I have emailed CZ-USA and they have told me they do not export the stocks to Aust. themselves and that I need to buy one from a retailer in the US.

The importer here would probably add a good percentage to the cost but I will see if they will import one.

Cheers

Greg

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Originally posted by Biggs300:
I have synthetic stocks on a Remington 700, Ruger M77 Hawkeye, and on a Browning X-Bolt. The Kevlar stock on my CZ 550 American 9.3x62 is the best balanced, most comfortable, and is the accurate rifle I own. For a hunting rifle, I like B&C's durable aluminum bedding. I would not hesitate to consider a Bell & Carlson stock if I needed a replacement for the factory stocks on my other rifles.

I want one for my 500 Jeffery! But I want to be able to switch stocks and just resight in. Synthetic for Alaska, wood for everywhere else for me. If my pretty blue metal rusts, I'll just get it reblued ...

Great photos and info RIP, thanks!

From my days as a chemist:

High speed photography of one of these stocks would show that it compresses from front to rear, and gets fatter side to side when fired. The energy is then released as the stock returns to its pre-bang conformation.

Think of the crossed linked Kevlar/fiberglass/etc. as a fabric. Also, the Aluminium (sic) flexes like a small sine wave in all directions along its length. The bench rest Gods have all gone to wood laminates and carbon fiber/graphite. Wood laminates flex very little. The carbon fiber is just to hold the mess together. It is trapped in the wood and cannot flex. In any case, the carbon fiber flexes less than either Kevlar or fiberglass. All hail DuPont, Inc.

Lawndart, thanks for the info. However I kind of like that flex as it does reduce felt recoil by increasing the lenght of time the whole process takes. if I was after bench accuracy then I would go the way of the benchers.

Interesting about the alloy's actions.

I have just reread this post and comes across to me as a bit condecending. It is not meant to be.

OK, I believe it now, these composite synthetic stocks flex more than wood and wood laminates, absorb some recoil.
Have been hearing that since 1985 when Weatherby was the first factory rifle to use a synthetic stock,
and it was a good one: McMillan.
I still have my 1985 Weatherby Fibermark with black wrinkle-painted McMillan stock.
It has been a good one.

Nowadays Weatherby seems to be using something more like the B&C Medalist stock, looks very similar with aluminum endoskeleton/full bedding block.
I suspect Weatherby has a different deal with Bell and Carlson: Plenty of Weatherby stocks can be purchased directly from B&C,
though I do not know if the Ultra Light Weigth Wby stock is available there.

I think these CZ "Kevlar" stocks have graphite, Kevlar, fiberglass, aluminum alloy bedding block,
and surely some foam filler in the hollow butt to deaden noise, quite the composite stock.
They are "medium heavy stocks."

Maybe the cheap "tupperware"/"mono-plastic-moulded" stocks are more flexible and absorb more recoil?
Amazingly, they can be very accurate too.

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Originally posted by Rule 303

RIP I have emailed CZ-USA and they have told me they do not export the stocks to Aust. themselves and that I need to buy one from a retailer in the US.

The importer here would probably add a good percentage to the cost but I will see if they will import one.

Cheers

Greg

Greg,

The only way I can get a CZ "Kevlar" stock from here in the USA is to order it from CZ-USA in Kansas City, Kansas,
or buy one of the complete rifles from a gun dealer.
They are the standard stock from the factory on some of the "Kevlar" rifles.

The stock by itself costs about $450 US, and it seems to add a couple hundred dollars to the cost of a rifle with Kevlar stock versus standard "non-fancy" walnut.

Last time I inquired at Bell & Carlson, they were not selling the stock to the public for after market use, just making them for CZ.

http://bellandcarlson.com/

If no CZ Kevlar rifles or stocks are being exported from USA, that is a tough nut to crack ...
Apparently they don't come from Czechoslovakia.

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I have just reread this post and comes across to me as a bit condecending. It is not meant to be.

When I think back that far, I close my eyes, tilt my head back and visualized the molecules and larger structures doing there thing. Then I write it down as fast as I can so it does not get away.

No condescension felt or intended. I may have been channeling both my organic chemistry professors, and my physical chemistry profs at the same time. That was how they talk(ed).

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Originally posted by lawndart:

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I have just reread this post and comes across to me as a bit condecending. It is not meant to be.

When I think back that far, I close my eyes, tilt my head back and visualized the molecules and larger structures doing there thing. Then I write it down as fast as I can so it does not get away.

No condescension felt or intended. I may have been channeling both my organic chemistry professors, and my physical chemistry profs at the same time. That was how they talk(ed).

Um, Lawndart, I meant my post not yours.

Who makes that slip-on pad?

Wink,
This is a leather slip-on from Pachmayr, velcro fastening, that I dyed darker with Fiebing's leather dye (used one coat of black dye over the factory brown)
and trimmed with Tandy (hobbyist) leather shears to fit around the cheek piece side:

RIP

Do you know what the thickness of the shell is in this stock?

Thanks
Pyzda

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Originally posted by Pyzda:
RIP

Do you know what the thickness of the shell is in this stock?

Thanks
Pyzda

IMHO: Thick enough!
I have not taken a saw to one, but if someone were to cut the stock for a shorter LOP, and install new butt pad, they might find out.
I have no need to know.

Sorry Rule 303,

Until life intervened, and I found out who is really in charge (ten foot tall and bullet proof, etc.), I was one arrogant and hard-assed son-of-a-bitch.

My jobs saw to that, but I was a willing participant.

After being bed-bound for months at a time, I could not remember what I was so arrogant about, and why?

I guess I am still ready to accept that cloak, it is fun in a nasty dismissive way. Fortunately, most of the people here know more about hunting in Africa, Gunsmithing and big bores than I ever will.

Okay, enough self revelation for about six months.

Your post was not condescending in the least.

I forgot to add one thing about the Aluminum tuning fork, 'er bedding block. My first day of differential equations; the instructor said, "all the world is a spring, and you will be able to prove it in sixteen weeks, if you want to pass this course, that is.

So, when the shock of firing occurs, the bedding block begins to vibrate at its own particular frequency. Since there is nothing around it except for the shooters hand, the "spring" vibrations look like beads on a string. The whole bedding block gets slightly shorter, and then longer a gazillion times a minute.

I felt compelled to put my hand on the breech end of the barrel of a Sheridan Tank (the tank was built of Aluminum, so it could parachute with the rest of us! The barrel was still steel, thank God. Anyway,other tan discovering that the barrel heated very quickly, I could feel it vibrate through my gloves.

Six months later I did the same experiment with a 106mm recoiless rifle. No vibrations because the barrel did not have a sealed breach, the projectile was really rocketed out of the bore.

Hey RIP, how did you get that Hairy Italian plumber to lay still while you took those pictures of your Kevlar stocked rifle??

Just got a new name for the dead bison: Luigi