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I have an open order for 450/400 and 450 Ruger #1. After reading some more, I see other calibers people have done. What are the better caliber conversions for these rifles? What is the best base caliber rifle? I really want to try a 470NE or 500NE. Are they an easy conversion? Should I consider a different cartridge choice? Thanks! Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | ||
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Sid, J.D.Jones at SSK Industries has been doing big caliber conversions on the Ruger for years, drop him an email and I'm sure he will have tons of information on the subject. Below is a link to a page on their website that talks about the Rugers. http://www.sskindustries.com/rifle.htm "I can't be over gunned because the animal can't be over dead"-Elmer Keith | |||
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Sid, One comment I've come across from time to time is that the Tropical models may have a longer hanger making them more suitable for bigger calibres. But I can't find any mention of differences on schematics of the rifle ... so its probably BS. In a few weeks I'll be looking at a locally built 577NE and taking LOTS of pictures. Cheers... Con | |||
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The Ruger #1 runds great w/ a flanged cartridge. Not a big bore, but I have a #1 chambered in 338x74Keith. A 9.3x74R necked down & blown out. Basically a flanged 338winmag as far as performance & the loooong 4"OAL round works great in the #1. Something like the 500/416 would be very cool. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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The 500/416 gives you the best of all worlds in a single shot rifle. 400 grain bullet at 2350. Good at distance and excellent up close and personal. | |||
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Con if the fires clear, and I'm able to cross the spur, mate you can take and post as many photos as you like. I have tried with no luck so far Steve | |||
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How hard is it to fit a "pre-fit" Pac-Nor barrel to a Ruger #1. Specifically, if I buy a used Tropical #1, is it reasonable to think I could turn the factory barrel off the action and spin the new one on (do I need special tools)? Hmmm .... I guess I need to call Pac-Nor and see what they have to say Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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If you remove the barrel, there goes the quarter rib with the rear sight and the scope base, and the front sight and barrel band sling base too. Ejectors also have to be reworked in going from a belted or rimless to a flanged cartridge. Some safety button "re-contouring" may be needed for clearance of the ejected cartridge with the bigger flange. Easiest is to rechamber existing barrel: .458 WinMag or Lott to 450 NE 3.25 " I have not looked to see if the 500/416 NE reamer would clean up the .416 Rigby chamber without any setback of barrel ...  | |||
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Sid, You can always start at the biggest and work down from there    | |||
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I have had two conversions done, one by reboring and one by rebarreling. I had Bowen do a 470 NE from a 458 on a blued 1H. Also, I had IT&D do a 45-120 on a stainless 45/70 by rebarreling. Of the two, for what I use them for, the 45-120 is far more practical. I have since sold the 470. I can get 458 Lott velocities out of the 45-120 if I want to, and supplies are very reasonably priced. I am currently having IT&D rebarrel another one to 338 Lapua with a 28" heavy barrel. All stainless | |||
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SID- No you cant spin off the Ruger barrel and Spin on a Pac-NOR Pre-Fit( you'll need a Lathe a Lathe)without special tools and a knowledge of how they work! Bubba specials we call them. Nice Pipe wrench marks on the barrel! What are you going to do about the quarter rib and front sight? Super glue em on? Level em by eyeball and D&T with a Dremel? Come-on. In addition,You also need to glass bed the stock around the action and glassbed the forearm so they dont split. You or someone else needs to know exactly how to do this too. What about weight? A Ruger No1. in 500NE will kick the crap out of you unless its set up by an expert! Muzzel Brake? I know, SUPER GLUE! Seriously, I'd have a .458 win mag rechambered to a .450NE, then Learn how to shoot it before I jumped into something else. Most of the .500NE's out there are shot once, dropped once, sold once guns! To me a .470NE would be nice, but what have you really gained over a .458 win mag? A slightly larger bullet thats all and maybe some Nostalgia.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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With the two open orders for the factory Ruger's, I'm thinking about something that is really a step up from those offerings. I would like to add something in the .47 or .50 bore size and the two NE's have an appeal to me. In a bolt action, a 416 Rigby seems like the right choice for me if I don't go with something larger like a .470 Capstick. However, I'm fascinated with double rifles so, a .470NE or .500NE seem like a natural choice and I'm thinking a Ruger #1 would be something I could get in the near term then when I step up to a double I'll be ready to shoot. With a scope, I could skip barrel bands and quarter ribs but, that just wouldn't be right.  I guess it's time to start calling around to see what my options are in a custom Ruger #1 built by someone who knows what they are doing. Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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SId- Look, for just about the price of a Ruger No1 and all the money your gonna spend on Gunsmithing it, why not just buy a Merkel 500NE? They can be had for around 7K and flat shoot! It will kick the crap out of you unless you put a good pad on it, but every one I've seen shoots very accurately and to be honest alot of Doubles out there dont! -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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No worries Steve, Hopefully all's well where you are. PM me here or at AusVarmint when your back and ready to catch up ... looking forward to seeing Bob's handywork! Cheers... Con | |||
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A 50-140 Sharps (3.25" case) can be done for less than a thousand if you already have the #1. I built one several years ago, so I know this. Rich Buff Killer | |||
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Sorry Kee-mo-sa-be The 416 Rigby version does just great as is, even with the rimless case. Best conversion for the 500/416 is to pull a tidy wad of flat rifles out of your coffee can and hand it to our New Guy for a Heym PH. LD  | |||
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Tonto, Kimosabe has killed water buffalo at 50 yards and fallow deer at 342 yards with .416 Ruger No.1. One shot ... Meat! Two shot ... Maybe! Three shot ... heap big doodoo! I would never think of rebarreling or rechambering that tackdriver. I checked, and a simple rechamber is not possible. The base diameter of the 500/.416 NE 3.25" chamber minimum is 14.58 mm, while that of the .416 Rigby is 14.99 mm, according to CIP. The intent of the exercise, as I saw it, was to have a flanged cartridge stalking rifle that will serve pack mule duty to the NE double. A 500 NE will not clean up my 500 A2 Ruger No.1 either, thank goodness! That one works great too. Just not as extended-pinky-cool as a flanged cartridge in a single shot. Here are the 416 Rigby, 450 NE 3.25", and 500A2, top to bottom:  The above are flexed pinky stuff: A rimless one, a flanged one that is stainless/laminate, and a belted one with stainless barrel and synthetic stock. And here, from top to bottom are 9.3x74R 400/395 NE 3" 405 WCF 450/400 NE 3":  Would any of the latter four "flanged ones" above extend a pinky finger? Ooops! There is a stainless barrel on the 400/395 NE 3"! That might put a kink in some pinkies! At least all four in the second pic are "flanged!" | |||
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I'm getting "Charley Horses" in my pinkies!  | |||
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Cornering the market on "Gucci" #1's ... I dig the Phatness of that 500A2 banger ...although my twisted sense of fashion would have me coating the metal and slapping on some woodness... | |||
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RIP, what are the mounts on the 405 and the 450/400? Warne? Do they work good? Sincerely. | |||
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Macifej, I still have the wood for that 500A2, no problems, glass bedded, never cracked. I also have a can of flat black spray paint  but I like the bead-blasted dull stainless barrel on the 500A2. That barrel has a 1.000" diameter at the 27" muzzle, and the screw-on brake adds 2" to that. 1:10" TWIST McGowen.I do need to spray paint that silver Leupold on the 450 NE. I hate silver scopes.  asti, Yep, Warne. No problems for me. A member here was able to break the recoil tab off the bottom of one with his .458 Lott, once upon a time. Must have been a metallurgical defect in the tab, rare. | |||
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Ken, You sound like a flexed-pinky kind of guy.  Your idea of a .338 Lapua Magnum on a Ruger No. 1, is interesting. The 28" barrel will produce an OAL like a bolt action with a 24" barrel. Quarter rib or picatinny rail? Straight 1:10" twist or 1:7" gain twist for 295-grain GSC HV? 6" of straight cylinder on the shank of my 500A2 with a steel rail that allows 4 rings, worked well. Ruger Number Ones are finger flickin' good! The only excuse for not using a Ruger No.1 on DG is: No DG or no fingers. I wish I had not traded off that .338WinMag Ruger No. 1 ... wondering if there was enough shank on that barrel to simply rechamber to .338 Lapua Mag? It was a spiffy sporter (1B) about No. 3 contour and 26" barrel of 1:10" twist. Very accurate too, as most Rugers are. That was a "stalking rifle." I'll bet fredj338's .338/9.3x74R Keith extends his pinky. | |||
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Rip, what is the scope on that 500a2? I have a 450 Dakota that gets a big scope once in a while just to play with 400gr bullets. Blake | |||
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Blake, That is a matte black Sightron 4-16x, 42mm Obj./1" tube, with mil dot reticle and parallax adjustment, with sun screen installed. It has taken a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. I believe Sightron is in the same class with Leupold. It will shoot "Minute of Buffalo Heart" for three shots at 942 yards with a 5-mil holdover, when the wind lets up. I sat in a cow pasture with the long tripod extended to do that. 750-grain Hornady A-Max at 2150 fps. That Sightron scope weighs about a pound less than an S&B of same power range. The Sightron will outlive the S&B on a 500A2 Ruger No.1, and is far less expensive to replace. Night Force need not apply either. Leupold or Sightron. | |||
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I just had Dave copy the contour of the factory 375 barrel out to where the forend tip is, then ran it straight from there to the muzzle, ending up at about .875". He also will remount the factory quarter rib on the new barrel. I don't need sights, so nothing up front. I just have him put a Talley swivel base on the barrel instead of a band for a sling. Then I have the whole gun beadblasted, which makes a much nicer finish than the factory stainless. I'm not shooting really heavy bullets, so 1 in 10 is fine. Probably 225's or lighter, very fast. Sold my Tactical rifle in the same caliber, because it was too damn heavy. This should do the trick. | |||
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You could do my 585HE in a # 1. Get smaller caliber one with heavy barrel and have Delta rebore it to 585. We got reloading dies now. Made by CH4D. CH4D has some more dies and is set up to make more. You can get dies from CH4D or me. Also have bunch of reamers. I'll loan use of reamers for chambering, and anyone doing one I give a few cases to get started. Once a few of us are going, Jamison can make a run of cases. First pic is of dies, reamers, and part of cases I have. You or smith can use reamer and return to me as I have a guy who can keep them sharpened, for next guy. I have it in 3 guns, a Big Enfield, a BBK Ultra Mag, and a Ruger 77. The Ruger # 1 is perfect for it. I'm going to do one in Ruger #1 later on. Second pic is the Ruger 77. This cartridge is good for 7000 to 13,000 ft lbs, Loads all tested.Brass will reload couple dozen tmes due to it straight belted design. Case has perfect taper, as they with heavy loads, come out of chamber with just the weight of the bolt. Ed   MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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