Dan Lilja has a BMG long range hunting rifle. He uses it on groundhogs at a mile+. In an article on long range hunting I read that one of his friends used a BMG to drop an Elk at around a mile.
I have never heard of one being used at "traditional" hunting ranges. That thing was designed with the intent of destroying piston engines in aircraft. It is still a viable weapon against light armored vehicles.
Overkill indeed.
Posts: 7636 | Location: near Austin, Texas, USA | Registered: 15 December 2000
I know of a pair of brothers here in the states that are setting up a blind to take a rogue bear. The bear is killing livestock and encroaching on town. He is also very smart and eludes hunters, even with dogs.
The brothers intend to set up a blind 1200 Yds. away from the bait. the gun is a LAR Grizzly.
Soft nose bullets are not even needed when you start at 1/2" diameter already.
The long range is a "comfort zone" when dealing with an unpredictable animal. OG
I just heard Godzilla is enroute to Japan from Monster Island-------when those two guys from wherever finish off the ROGUE bear what say we take up a collection and buy them a snorkel and fins, oh, and the sack of rocks.........................PLEASE! I'll throw in my Wrist Rocket!
If you are going to fire long range, use a REAL rifle!!!!!
50 BMG is for real. Truly inspired by Him, and I don't mean John Browning.
45 ACP, BMG 50, the round and the machine gun, the 1911 semi-auto pistol, and, we still use all of em, since they were so WELL designed, 100 years, and nothing really better. God blessed the 45.
gs
------------------ I love 45 santilli@singleaction45.com
Posts: 1805 | Location: American Athens, Greece | Registered: 24 November 2001
Muzzel velocity will realy depend upon the barrel length and bullet weight, but 26-3000+ fps is possible with the BMG. As for rifle weight 30+lbs is not set in stone, you could make a viable hunting rifle very close to 20lbs. A muzzel brake is a must. Just remember that that barrel has got to be short to keep the weight down. As for softnose hunting bullets, McMurdo Custom Hunting bullets makes a 750gr hunting bullet. River valley ordanace makes a 650gr hunting bullet. Hornadys 750 A-Max could also be used, even though it has an aluminum tip, it will function like a bronze point or ballistic tip on impact, initiating expansion. State Arms makes solid copper hollow points in 700, 750, 800, 850, and 900gr for hunting.
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I WANT ONE! A buddy of mine hass a Barret (sp?). It's a hoot to shoot and I've vowed that as soon as the credit cards are paid off, I'm buying a 50 while they are still legal. And yes I want one that I can carry. Say 25 lbs plus a detachable bipod? I know they are out there. I've read that Maadi Griffin is out of business. Anyone else making them?
These are not unreasonable questions (Swedish aside).
Posts: 345 | Location: NY | Registered: 01 July 2002
First- Don't believe all the BS about the .50 BMG. It's a great long range cartridge in THE HANDS OF AN EXPERT. IT is not the most powerful weopon in the world and yes it can and has been used for hunting ( sniping in reality as they usually too heavy to carry far from trhe car) at reasonable ranges. They have been even used on cape buffalo. Please don't believe all that BS about shooting bears at 1200 yrds with a Ha Ha LAR GRIZZLEY. THe fact is the LAR GRIZZLEY is at best a 2 MOA gun at 1000 yrds UNDER OPTIMAL CONDITIONS and I'm being generous and I have a MG which is identical to a LAR Grizzley and know a thing or two about long range shooting.. Let's see, at 1200 yrds that's what 24 inches or two feet for a group of five shots. Now throw in a lil wind just to make things interesting and viola Nothing but a big miss at 1200 yrds. How many of you think the local yahoos can even dope a wind of 5 MPH at 300 yrds much less 1200?. Now if the bear stands there and let's you shoot at him about 50 times, you just might hit him. A person who could not hit a bear at 300 yrds with a .308 sure isn't gonna do it with a .50BMG. The .50BMG guns that can shoot in the 1 MOA range consistently at 1000 yrds are rare indeed, and they are all custioms that weigh 26-50lbs and can only be fired from special rests. There are one heck of alot of smaller calibers that can nearly do the same thing. The .50BMg can move a 650-850 gr bullet at 3000-2600fps depending on the barrel length and load, with muzzel energies in the 10K ft-lb class. It never fails to amuse me at gun shows listening to people talk about the .50BMG when they have obviously not a clue. Sorry if this bursts someones bubble, and no disrespect intended to anyone, but it's the truth.-Rob
Posts: 6314 | Location: Las Vegas,NV | Registered: 10 January 2001
I agree, the Grizzly is just about the worst .50 BMG out there. I've fired one a few years ago and the accuracy is awful, even with otherwise excellent ammunition.
Yes, that's my rifle. It weighs about 60 lbs so it'd be pretty difficult to take hunting, and there's no way you're going to shoulder it! However, it's accurate like no other. You should see what 5000 fps will do to a steel plate...SLAG, like someone took a cutting torch to it.
In .50BMG most shooters go as heavy as possible in bullet weight and as fast as possible for wind resistance and maximal BC. You can probably drive a 530 gr bullet well over 3200-3300-fps if you want. But who cares? One of my friends has a State Arms like the one in the post above. It was at the Reno FCSA match in April and only shot a 26 inch group( of course that was into a 20 mph wind at 3'0 clock). By the way the Lar Grizzleys and EDM's and other stuff were not even on paper. Heck I was in the 12's to 15's and not doing very well either.-Rob
Posts: 6314 | Location: Las Vegas,NV | Registered: 10 January 2001
I think you guys are missing the main reason for owning a 50, it�s for �hunting� heavy metal, for deranged havoc afficionados , I been using mine to dismantle a Yugo, slowly, but violently It is a Watson, where ya got to unscrew the bolt, uses an AR 15 lower, a bit of a hassle, but this ain�t a puppy you gonna fire a 100 rounds a day with, least I ain�t. There are some guys that go out in the desert and shoot a rock at 2 miles, takes 7 seconds to hit! No one thinks about first round hit, and they shoot early in morning so the air is calm enough to give chance. From an article in NY Times I think, will find easily with search. Course, scope/mount gotta have hell of vertical adjustment range.
BUT 7 seconds!!!! So cool. I use mine alot closer!
A watson- God you just gotta unload pathetic crap like that to properly live up to your namesake. What kinda Havoc can you produce unscrewing your action like that? It's un-Manley! Either pony up the bucks to a real fifty or forever suffer the shame of plinking a fifty at a yugo ( god what a image). Sorry, but even Overkill now has a new cartridge named after him.-Rob
Posts: 6314 | Location: Las Vegas,NV | Registered: 10 January 2001
A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A .50 BMG. ITS A MCBROS (MCMILLEN). LOOKS LIKE A REM MOD 70 ON STERIODS.YES ITS A BLAST TO SHOOT. WE SHOT IT A BUNCH TO SEASON THE BARREL AN CHONOGRAPH SOME LOADS. VERY IMPRESSIVE WEAPON. HE WENT OUT WEST TO A SHOOT IN 2000. WHAT I HAD A HARD TIME TRYING TO FATHOM WAS THE BULLET DROP AT LONG RANGE 26 FT IN A MILE.
quote:Originally posted by Robgunbuilder: A watson- God you just gotta unload pathetic crap like that to properly live up to your namesake. What kinda Havoc can you produce unscrewing your action like that? It's un-Manley! Either pony up the bucks to a real fifty or forever suffer the shame of plinking a fifty at a yugo ( god what a image). Sorry, but even Overkill now has a new cartridge named after him.-Rob
Hello Fellow Rob Seems kinda harsh.. The thing does what I got it far, it let�s off the round safely. Sorry I ain�t got the jack for one of the more functional 50 cals, maybe you could make me one for evaluation over a few years? But plinking? That implies reduced loads for just shootin targets or whatever, I don't reload my own yet, I have loaded about 1000 45 acp. I tend to go check out what the hell the impact event did anyway, so it don�t slow me down too much. I�d love to have a real BMG, ain�t in the cards. I don�t hunt, after having to shoot someone in the mouth with a 45, I kinda lost interest in shootin critters, unless they be threatening my critters, that includes two legged critters too. I am pretty new to these forums, but think they are great, i have you very high on my list of people who know what they are talking about, got lotsa hobbies, engineering degree, fair amount of grad school level stuff, I am very good at picking out who knows what they are talking about, so your post is a bit depressing . Anyway, you can come here any time, I got 100 acres, we can have fun shootin stuff, or I can show you I be a bit of a man Sorry I seem to have offended rob, the guy who gotta unload pathetic crap like that to properly live up to his namesake.
quote:Originally posted by tasco 74: A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A .50 BMG. ITS A MCBROS (MCMILLEN). LOOKS LIKE A REM MOD 70 ON STERIODS.YES ITS A BLAST TO SHOOT. WE SHOT IT A BUNCH TO SEASON THE BARREL AN CHONOGRAPH SOME LOADS. VERY IMPRESSIVE WEAPON. HE WENT OUT WEST TO A SHOOT IN 2000. WHAT I HAD A HARD TIME TRYING TO FATHOM WAS THE BULLET DROP AT LONG RANGE 26 FT IN A MILE.
Are you saying 26 ft IS the drop? I don't have the figures in front of me, easily could be, If what I reported is correct, just telling what I read, you gonna get 16 ft in 1st second, then 32 ft in 2nd, then 32+32+32/2=48 in third, this assumes no non-basic ballistics. Your number sounds a little low, I probably am missing something, i am sure the esteemed robgunbuilder can do better, he wouldn't waste his time doing anything fun like shooting a Yugo, some of us think silly havoc is worthwhile, others, well, they seem to be devoid of the desire to have fun doing absolutely useless things, it's sad, ya feel bad for them. rob the guy who lives for useless fun things-ain't ever gonna change, will use the 50 on myself before I get that pathetic-with the length of the thing, it won't be as easy as putting my 454 to my skull, mr. casull would make it damn easy, have you seen my watermelon pics, something tells me a skull would be a bit similar, interested to see, but as earlier, I don't think I could stomache, done seen a head shot, the guy is still my friend, they removed the bullet from the back of his neck, he, and I, were lucky-but was something I had to do. It was a plinking round I had in the 45 at the time, loaded by myself, I at least know what a plinking round is
DHA, I do believe that Rob was just pulling your leg, no need to be offended. 50's are great fun, a good friend of mine has a FA BMG, anti-aircraft tripod and everything. What a hoot. He's selling it now (damn stock market), still too rich for me. One of the smaller bolt guns is the best I can do. take care - Dan
Posts: 5285 | Location: Alberta | Registered: 05 October 2001
DHA- I was just teasing you! No Disrespect intended! A Watson is probably alot of fun! Go get those Yugo's. Please don't tell Dianne Feinstein or Mr. Schumer about this as it will give them new ideas. -Rob
Mssgn-Go get it! The price is right! Every New Yorker should have a fifty. I'd buy one for Hilary, as it's as close to a "Big One" as she will ever get!-Rob
Posts: 6314 | Location: Las Vegas,NV | Registered: 10 January 2001
quote:Originally posted by Robgunbuilder: DHA- I was just teasing you! No Disrespect intended! A Watson is probably alot of fun! Go get those Yugo's. Please don't tell Dianne Feinstein or Mr. Schumer about this as it will give them new ideas. -Rob
Hello again fellow Rob, I appologize, I am usually pretty good at detecting sarcasm, I be one sarcastic SOB myself, I have, on a couple of audio boards, the ones where there are guys who spout off about how great there $100/ft speaker wire and god knows what price power cords improve sound of their system, been insulted, guess I got a little touchy. I really think you be one of the top five or so peple I would listen to here, sorry.
The Watson is a bit of a hassle as said, but was affordable, the babies are a hell of a lot of fun to shoot. Can anyone tell me what an incediary round should do on the Yugo engine? I've asked before but got no response. It makes a lot of smoke, but by the time I get there, I see nothing but normal, well, maybe not the right word , damage. rob the guy redfaced got too touchy
After sleeping on it (and double checking the limited cash on hand) I've decided to let this golden opportunity pass...
I'm hunting in Africa in 6 weeks and squeezing dimes to do it. If I bought the 50 I'd have to sneak it past my wife. I've never gone that road and it wouldn't exactly blend in with the other rifles ....
...And the neighbors have enough grief because I'm firing my 375 H&H in the back yard regularly to get ready for Africa (hehehe).
If it's meant to be, God will give me another opportunity when the money is there (sigh). I am still encouraged by what I've learned though. Bottom line is that there are single shot 50s out there for under $1500. THAT means that they are affordable and that I WILL (God willing) have one!
Meanwhile I'll take some of those funds that almost went to the 50 and get my boy a Chipmunk 22LR youth model to invest in the future instead of just for my my selfish butt, and a bit of jewelry for the little lady to make the Africa trip easier fro her to deal with....
THEN I'll start shopping for my AR rifle so that when the time is right I can get that big 50 upper receiver and barrel to go with it! oh yeah!
I'll start an AR50 thread for comments. Anybody with one please chime in with advice. Anybody who decided against getting one, please please chime in too!
Thanks for your help. Mike.
Posts: 345 | Location: NY | Registered: 01 July 2002
DHA, I applaud you efforts to at reducing the Yugo population. It's about damn time someone did something to thin the herd. How can I help? Do I need any special permits? Trophy fees? I don't yet have a BMG, so what caliber do you recommed? Should I use stick to a good solid and shoot for the engine block or go for the "instant kill" with the tracer/gas tank combo? -Larz
quote:Originally posted by Larz: DHA, I applaud you efforts to at reducing the Yugo population. It's about damn time someone did something to thin the herd. How can I help? Do I need any special permits? Trophy fees? I don't yet have a BMG, so what caliber do you recommed? Should I use stick to a good solid and shoot for the engine block or go for the "instant kill" with the tracer/gas tank combo? -Larz
With the name Larz(s) you ain't gotta 50? I really can't stop these things.
Thanks for the post, I wish I could be thinning by lots more than 1, it's been fun, but been doing slowly. Now please no comments, but my 10 ga with one of those 3/4 inch ball bearings does pretty well. A side shot with the 454 Casull has no problem going all the way through. I haven't been able to get a good handle on what it does on the engine, there were too many 'wounds' by the time I tried it. (This is edit, forgot to adress the instant kill thing: This is central Texas, ya gotta be awful careful with those gas tank hits, I have had to have the volunteer fire dept here twice in less than a year for grass fires, one was real stupidity on my part, I was a bit mortified, but they all extremely nice. I made sure no fluids remained in vehicle before beginning the fun)I will pretty much just use the 50 just cause of ricochet type worries, if ya read many of my posts, mighta figured I ain't very risk averse, but I don't have enough knowledge/experience in ricochet physics so being a little careful. Near as I can figure, I ain't gotta worry much about the 50, unless it ricochets off the rear license plate after traveling through the engine and rest of vehicle The only permit ya need is me to 'permit' ya. Didn't see where you from, come down, you can use my 50, I still got over 350 rounds of AP and 140 incindiery, and bout 95 tracer, they are great just shooting straight up, better than a lot of fireworks. I'm seriously considering aabout quadrupling those totals, ya never no, if some schmuck used a 50 in a shooting, we might have to (godamn, just had to run outside, course armed, thought coyotes close by, it was one of 5 of my own 100 lb stupid dogs howling very strangeley ) kiss the availibility goodby. rob the great white Yugo hunter
DHA, you might consider branching out and getting yourself some Lada'a to shoot. This would help clean the streets of trash, if nothing else. Oh what the hell, take the Renaults too. - Dan
Posts: 5285 | Location: Alberta | Registered: 05 October 2001
quote:Originally posted by dan belisle: DHA, you might consider branching out and getting yourself some Lada'a to shoot. This would help clean the streets of trash, if nothing else. Oh what the hell, take the Renaults too. - Dan
Hi Dan, how do you pronounce last name, been givin me fits? I don't know what a lada is, probably missing obvious, or maybe something just in that evil empire-Canada . It just ocurred (damn I can't spell, is it 2 c's 1 r or 2 r's 1c or 2 of both, engineers caint spell) to me, I want one of them little vehicles(go carts really) where the whole front of the thing opened up, can't remember what they are called, friends had one, non working, 25-30 years ago when I was a kid, that would be fun to 'dismantle'. rob the guy who ain't never gonna run out of ideas of stuff to dismantle, but loves to hear others chime in with their's
quote:Originally posted by Mssgn: ...And the neighbors have enough grief because I'm firing my 375 H&H in the back yard regularly to get ready for Africa (hehehe).
Mike.
Hi Mike, I missed earlier, don't know if you saw in one of my earlier, but I actually had 3 law enforcement types out to my place , different times, after I started with the 50, no problem. My nearest neighbor is 1000+ feet-to my house, and where I usually let off the 50, more like 2000. The round-it don't be subtle. rob the guy who is worrying his neighbors-but for such a vodka saturated thing is careful, even used aerial photos to see trajectory possibilites
DHA, in the western part of Canada it's pronounced "Bell- isle (as in island). In the eastern part (all the French, you know) it's pronounced "bay-lil". A Lada is a Russian copy of a fiat. Listen to Adam Sandler's song about his "car is a P.O.S." I think this is the car he was talking about. The only bubble cars I remember (where the front opened up) were German, Messcherschmidt (SP?) and BMW. Yes, that BMW. After the war they built quite a few of them, they were very inexpensive, at the time. I haven't seen one in years though. Anyway, have fun and take care - Dan
Posts: 5285 | Location: Alberta | Registered: 05 October 2001
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, I been using mine to dismantle a Yugo, slowly, but violently ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon}
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