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Since, I hadn't heard much about CZ prior to this board I really have nothing to go on as to their quality but what I read here. In the next month I'm going to be purchasing a rifle in a .416 Rigby. What are your preferences as to the CZ vs the M77? Thanks Gene [ 03-11-2003, 21:46: Message edited by: GMaxson ] | ||
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Gene, I went with a CZ in .416 Rigby and used the price difference between it and the Ruger for some custom work. It'll be back from the gunsmith (Jack Belk) soon, and I'll have *exactly* the rifle I want. I've seen the Rugers but I haven't had the chance to inspect one closely. You won't hear much in the way of negatives about either gun. I got the CZ because I wanted a forged action instead of cast, and I knew I wanted some custom work done. The CZ also has a better trigger, since it's easily adjusted and has a single-set feature. For the $500-600 difference between the prices, you can tweak the CZ quite a bit to make it suit your personal preferences. Here's mine, still in the white:  Best, Joe | |||
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Thanks Joe. Since your in Mi also, where did you get your CZ? | |||
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quote:I had my local FFL get it from The CZ Connection in Georgia. If you go to gunbroker.com and search for CZ, you'll find about eleven billion listings, all from the same guy. I think his user name is "Ton80." That's the guy. I looked around locally for a while, but at the prices everyone quoted me, I'd expect them to offer me a cigarette after screwing me like that! ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif){kind=icon} Best, Joe | |||
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I would go a cz but then I am partial to cz's ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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If you not planning to do any custom work and the monney is no object, go for the Ruger. If you fit a new stock to the CZ I think you have a better rifle than the Ruger. | |||
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nextJoe Nice rifle! What "barrel sling holder" is that and where did you get it? [ 03-12-2003, 15:40: Message edited by: Thomas M ] | |||
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The Ruger has some bedding issues. The CZ needs a different safety and the sights are not exactly classy and the hogback stock is not favored by most, and the bolt handle is droopy...but it's a place to start. | |||
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GMaxson, As always answered in similar post, you can't find any other rifle as good as CZ rifle for the price. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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So, what is the quality of the CZ action and barrel? Is the action and barrel of enough quality to keep and just restock, bed and tweak a few things? BER007, I did a search, and found quite a bit of info on CZ's but I don't think any compared the CZ to the Ruger, hence this post. Also, I don't argue that the CZ is best in it's price range, but the Ruger does not fall into the same range, hence your statement may be true, but how does the quality compare to the Ruger? [ 03-12-2003, 19:19: Message edited by: GMaxson ] | |||
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quote:Thomas, That's a Talley barrel band. They're available from Brownell's. If you want to install it without removing the factory front sight, you have to split it on top, spread it to get past the front sight, and then squeeze it back to make it fit the barrel. Mine's soldered in place. Best, Joe | |||
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quote:That's the general consensus. Keep in mind that the CZ is machined from a forging, while the Ruger is cast. Some people care about that, some don't. They're both plenty strong. I like the CZ more because it's more of a direct Mauser 98 descendent, with some Model 70 features thrown in. Regular Ruger rifles tend to have somewhat rough metalwork, but it might be (and probably is) better on the Magnum rifles since they're Ruger's prestige item. Best, Joe | |||
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nextjoe: What brand of laminate stock is on your CZ? I'm building a 450 Rigby on my CZ 550 and I'm looking for a stock. | ||
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I'm liking the idea of a CZ more and more! I'm in the same boat as Carlos now and am surfing around for stock mfgs. I've looked at www.rifle-stocks.com. Anyone with any thoughts on stock mfgs? NextJoe, you've been very helpful. I think I am going to go with the CZ 550 Safari and have it restocked and have the barrel band added. Now, if I can just get all this done by the end of June! | |||
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I don't know where you can get a better rifle for the money than the Safari grade ruger 77, A true magnum action, control feed, M-70 safty, BB sight and swivel, nice walnut wood of good design and most of all that intregal quarter rib on the barrel, that alone is a $1600. investment if purchased seperately from a barrel maker!!! I like the CZ, but it takes a pocket full of dollars to get one where I want it... I have little use for any factory rifle, when my butt may be on the line.... | |||
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quote:Carlos, my stock came from Jim Brockman. His website is at www.brockmansrifles.com Unfortunately, at the time I bought mine, Jim's source for these stocks had disappeared with the original pattern. I bought one of the last two he had on hand. You'd have to check with him to see if he can still provide them. Best, Joe | |||
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Ray, in your opinion, if you were to go the CZ route, what would you have done to it? From reading many of your posts I've come to value your opinion, so let me know what you think. Would you rebarrel it? Just trying to make the most informed decision. Thanks Gene | |||
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Here's an utterly moronic question from someone so kewl..... Is forged steel usually stronger than cast? And how strong are these mauser type actions in handling excessive pressures? Oh, and hard is it to make the ruger accept a fourth round if the rifle is chambered in 416 rigby? I found this... http://yarchive.net/gun/investment_casting.html ..and it seems that the ruger is stronger... But being a former ruger worker, he might be biased... Just very curious, Thanks! [ 03-15-2003, 02:50: Message edited by: LSG ] | |||
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*bump* ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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quote:LSG, I'm not an engineer or metallurgist, but virtually everything I've read says that both forged and cast parts are perfectly suitable for rifle actions, as long as they're done properly. You can have a bad forging just as easily as a bad casting. Execution is just as important as the design. That said, my understanding is that it takes a lot of special work to design an action that's going to be cast. I've heard from many sources that Springfield Armory (the company, not the old govt. armory) spent years trying to economically make Garand receivers out of castings. The design just isn't really compatible with that process. The Ruger action was designed to be made from a casting. I've never read any claim that it isn't strong enough. Ruger does LOTS of casting, not only for their own guns but for outside sources including golf club makers. They know what they're doing. The new Montana actions are being cast by Ruger, too. The only criticism I've heard about Ruger's method is that they try to use a lot of parts as-cast, without machining them afterwards. They end up looking crude, and there isn't enough material left to clean up the surface properly. I don't know if that holds true for the Magnum rifles, since I haven't looked at one very closely. I would hope that they give you a nicer surface finish for the extra money. Best, Joe | |||
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Thank you very much! :-) | |||
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