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Fellas, I was looking at a Springfield sporter the other day and got to thinking I could buy the thing, send it to Jesse Ocumpaugh at JES reboring and have him rebore it, but I see his specs are a .402 land and .412 groove. My questions are, would this be accurate with a .411 jacketed bullet, and how thick does the outside contour of the barrel at the muzzle need to be to give adequate barrel strength and stiffness?


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I thought mine was built on a Douglas #3 which is .625" if it is a #4 then .65"

I've found that my 400 can't tell the difference in .410 or .411 dia bullets.

Besides this isn't a Benchrest chambering.


As usual just my $.02
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I was told by the late Jim Dubell of Clearwater Reboring that a barrel wall thickness of .100" at the muzzle was the minimum allowable, so your .412" caliber barrel would require a muzzle diameter of .612".
 
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I just measured a 1903 Springfield with a military barrel on it, it mic's at .619" at the muzzle
Just behind the front sight it is .645"
that should work for a 400 Whelen.
Like Ramrods rifle mine doesn't know the difference between .410" .411" bullets, same group sizes.
If yours turns out at .412" I can't imagine a problem.
 
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I spoke with JES about reboring a Springfield about a year ago and he said it could be done. I was all ready to do it until I had something pop up that took my gun funds. Since then I have bought a 375 Ruger and dropped the idea of the 400 Whelen.
The Springfield just sits in the closet waiting for something to come along.
 
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JES did my 375 Whelen and at the time said he liked to have at least .200 over groove diameter for a rebore. A .412 groove diameter would then require a .612 OD at the muzzle.

No worries on the .411 bullets in a .412 barrel. Mine is a .411 groove diameter and shoots the Hornady .410 bullets just fine. In fact the Swift A Frame bullets measure .4095 and they shoot great.


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Please forgive me. I have no intention of hijacking this thread but,
I was wondering if someone had this info.
I always wanted a rifle that could use pistol bullets for volume plinking.
I just realized the .400 could use 41 mag bullets.
Considering I would buy just a standard m70 from one of the LGS's and have it rebored.
Would any one know the muzzle diameter of say a M70 30-06?
If sufficient it would be an easy and inexpensive purchase to make a .400 whelen.
 
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I just went out to the garage and dug out the take off barrel from my model 70 that I used to build my 400. The muzzle diameter is .595. That's too skinny and honestly even though a .611 barrel would work for a 400 Whelen, that would make an awfully light big bore. I used a Shilen barrel. It is 24 inches and .675 at the muzzle. It is a comfortable shooting rifle. Just heavy enough to control the recoil and still light enough to be comfortable to carry.


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Pistol bullets do a number on waterjugs. I've used them on TX Jackalopes.


As usual just my $.02
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The take off was a 06?
Thanks.
Yes that seems to small from what was said was desirable.
 
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Sorry about that. Yes, it was an 06.


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I just measured a Ruger M77 tang safety 30/06 and a Win M70 30/06 at the muzzle. Both were right around .595".
 
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Thanks gentlemen.
would cutting these barrels back to around 22 inches give a .61-.62" muzzle diameter?
 
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Both that I measured were 22"
 
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I don't have a M70 06. But my MKX 06 barrel is closer to .55 at 24" it takes 3.75" to get to .61
So that works out to about .016"/inch using the same taper then sorter the m70 by an inch is .595+.016=.611 or .627 if you take off 2"


As usual just my $.02
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My 400 measures .75 at the muzzle,@ 23". It is slightly nose heavy now but when scoped and a full magazine it will be perfect.I'm guessing it will weigh in at 9lbs ready to go which is fine with me.


I tend to use more than enough gun
 
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Thanks Gentlemen....
 
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