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I have have come into possession of a quantity of 458 Speer AGS bullets. Upon inspection, they look like they were made in two different ways; some are definitely lathe turned, and some look mass produced like Hornadys, etc. There are subtle differences in shape and meplat size. All have 'African Grand Slam' struck on the bottom of the bullet. Did Speer change production methods midstream, or are there counterfeit AGS bullets floating around? | ||
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I don't believe I ever saw any that Had "African Grand Slam" on them. I remember the GS but maybe before I became aware of the value. Let me know if you decide to get rid or them as they do make for a shorter bullet for the standard magazine fit. Frank | |||
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All the ones I have seen had the tungsten core visible through a hole in the rear of the bronz jacket (just like the lead is visible in a woodleigh solid.). All have African Grand slam on the folded over portion of the jacket around the hole. They are extremely good bullets for the .458 Win, but be aware that they cause higher pressures than standard steel jacketed lead cored solids or banded brass solids. Work up loads carefully! | |||
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Speer changed them at least once to my knowledge. They moved the cannalure up the bullet on the ones I saw. I called Speer and the guy I talked to wasn't even aware of it! Who made that decision nobody seemed to know. Speer finally threw in the towel as they were so expensive to make. How can tungsten core bullets compete with bubba's lathe and a brass rod? But I have my stash of 416 solids! ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Perhaps lathe turned morphed into mass produced secondary to cost. The lathe turned bullets look more precisely machined. I'm going to keep my little stash - I'd like to test them out on some steel plate. The armor piercing qualities interest me. | |||
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I doubt that AGS construction differences will make one iota of difference to a buffalo shot at 40 yards, they are good bullets, I have never seen on fail, nor have I heard of a failure. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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