I just noticed that the 375 Wby is not available in any of the standard as issued Wby rifles.

I wonder if this is to stop taking sales from the 340 Wby and then people using Winchester 375 H&H brass to make cases.

Mike

Mike,
They reintroduced the grand old cartridge (.375 Wby) "New" for 2001, IIRC.

They listed a factory Weatherby Mark V "Dangerous Game Rifle" in 2001 and 2002.

Then it vanished.

Bean counters, aye. Exactly which beans didn't add up right, I do not know. At least it gave us some new Norma-made factory .375 Wby brass and ammo out of the deal.

Any gunsmith worth anything can convert a 375 H&H to a 375 Weatherby for a nominal sum.

MikeIravy,
I think you nailed it.
People would rather convert a CRF to .375 Wby, hence poor sales of Mark V PF's, hence not offered except as a custom shop order.

I have 3 .375 Wby's: Whitworth MkX, CZ 550, and WinM70St.Cl., all CRF's.

I kept 2 of the .375 H&H's un altered: a 6.75#Pre-64, and an M70BF(Lion).

There ya go Mike375, that explains it.

I don't know the reason. But I've just looked at the ballistics tables of the Hornady Heavy Magnum .375 H&H ammo, and it DUPLICATES the .375 Weatherby ballistics almost exactly!

In addition, some handloads for the old H&H using modern powders and bullets are up to .375 Weatherby levels also. So, if you really want to beat the old H&H nowadays, you need a .378 Weatherby!

Or, you could use modern powders in the 375 Wby and exceed the old H&H ballistics, again. - Dan

Ron,

I am still going with the brass. A lot of Wby buyers like them in Wby calibres and the 340 is the biggest in the cheap Synthetic rifles. Well there is 30/378 and 338/378 but that is bit much for most people to consider and then there is the brass cost of those calibres, not to mention factory ammo

But I think a lot of people who buy 340 Wbys in the cheap Synthetics would by 375 Wby if it was available and there goes the sales of some 340 brass.

Mike

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I've just looked at the ballistics tables of the Hornady Heavy Magnum .375 H&H ammo, and it DUPLICATES the .375 Weatherby ballistics almost exactly!

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The .375 Weatherby (AKA the .375 H&H Ackley Improved)never actually offered much more than the .375 H&H and hence Weatherby opted for the much bigger .378.
I was very surprised to see it reintroduced and am not at all surprised to see it gone again.
Nice idea.....no cigar!!

vapodog,

They would get initial sales from Wby collectors. It would not suprise me that whatever Winchester, Remington, Weatherby or Ruger introduce they cover their costs from collectors even if what was introduced is a commercial failure.

I am wondering how long it will be before the 22/240 Wby is introduced

Mike

Mike 375.....possibly....but wouldn't you want a FN Mauser Weatherby as opposed to a Japanese .375 Wea?
Strangely enough the .375 Weatherby is extremely rare.....at least in my lifetime I've never seen one and I'm not a stranger at the gun shows.
Nostalgia sales are real and probably no one but Ruger has been better at it.....I seriously thing the .375 Wea introduction was a pure flat out brain fart!

RIP
How much of an improvement is the 375 Weatherby over the H&H? (assuming reasonbly careful reloading) Likewise have you ever tried the A square 375 Weatherby ammo? I've been considering a 375 Weatherby but my smith and friends keep trying to talk me out of it.

MikeIravy,
No, I haven't tried the A-Square ammo. The best thing to do is buy the the Weatherby brass or factory loaded ammo.

BTW, the Weatherby factory loaded stuff has 300 grain Nosler Partitions that really will do about 2800 fps in a 26" barrel, about 2740 fps in a 24" barrel, or close enough, actually 2732 fps in my 24" WinM70Classic Stainless at 50 degrees F.

My MkX was done around 1986 with the old reamer with 0.75" of sloppy-throated-freebore, way too much. It is not as accurate or fast as the new 2001 vintage Weatherby chamber.

The new chamber has only 0.370" freebore and surely a tighter throat, and better throat than the old ones, especially if you get Dave Manson to make the reamer, and he uses the 0.370" freebore.

JohnS used to post here. He had a custom throated .375 Wby that only had about 0.18" freebore IIRC, about like the standard .375 H&H throat.

Any way, the light bullet and fast powder loads in the .375 Wby are only about 100 to 150 fps faster than the .375 H&H for equal pressure.

However, the 300 to 350 grain loads for the .375 Wby can be 200 to 250 fps faster using the slower powders, for same COL and same pressure loads as in the .375 H&H.

And furthermore, if you use a Magnum action and can load the COL all the way out to 3.750" or 3.800", as in the CZ 550, you can get over 300 fps faster with 300 grainers, versus the .375 H&H standard/classic loads. Same for 350 grainers. The heavier the bullet, the greater the advantage of the .375 Wby over the .375 H&H.

And further-furthermore. The new chambered .375 Wby gives up nothing in accuracy over the .375 H&H.

And further-further-furthermore, you can shoot .375 H&H ammo in the .375 Wby chamber and only lose 100 to 150 fps under the classic H&H ballistics. This dumbs a .375 H&H factory 300 grainer down to 2350-2400 fps, considered super effective by the misguided. But it will do in a pinch because it is still accurate, and will only shoot about 2" lower at 100 yards than the full power 300 grain .375 Wby load.

Vapodog has probably only messed with the old long throated .375 Wby if he has messed with any at all. I almost gave up on the .375 Wby until I tried the new tighter throat, then I tried a longer box and tighter throat and was amazed.

A long-boxed, tight-throated .375 Wby can be the equal of the .375 RUM or Saeed's .375/404: 2800 fps or more with 300 grainers. The 0.370" freebore allows all of this.

Hal Waugh used Big Nan (M70 in .375 Wby) exclusively for 40 years of Alaskan brown bear guiding, and he feared no evil.

Rifle cognoscenti do not disdain the .375 Wby.

Bad mouth a .375 Weatherby? Why that would be grounds for a meeting on the field of honor, at dawn, with horse pistols and your trusted seconds.

I did the .375 Weatherby page in Saeed's Reloading Data Section.
Since then I have tried H4350 Extreme. This is the best powder yet for the .375 Weatherby, IMHO.

If you only have 3.600" COL, then 84 grains would be max with the 300 grainer.

If you have 3.800" COL and a .370" freebore, you might go higher, as I did ...

The new Australian made Extreme H-4350 is faster and more compact than the old IMR-4350, and it is more temperature insensitive, and more accurate for me.

Accurate Arms 4350 was intermediate between H-4350 and IMR-4350, in all regards, by me.

H-4350 Extreme is tops.

As for the Hornady and Federal Heavy Magnum/High Energy loads that claim to deliver +2700 fps with 300 grainers: I have known some who chronographed them and they weren't up to snuff.

Whatever the process they use, it is second rate to the .375 Weatherby. You can always beat it by rolling your own in .375 Weatherby. And the HM/HE loads were or will be discontinued by the bean counters if you ever get dependent on them to feed a rifle.

(rant off)

Ron,

I talk to John S quite a lot and I don't Echols uses the standard 375 throat. He has his own steup whih he also uses for 300 Wby. In short factory ammo can be used in them.

Your comments on the Australian H4350 are interesting. The last lots I have used put it more at the IMR 4831 burn rate.

However, theses powders over the years since they came out have changed quite a bit.

In general I found IMR powders better in that a wider range of loads over a wider range of calibres were more accurate. However, quite often the most accurate and fastest load would come with the Australian powder. I have often felt that they were tested in 223, 22/250, 243 and 308 which are the most common rounds in Australia and the results were always very good in those calibres.

But back to the 375 Wby or 375 Improved. The prolem with the H&h is heavy bullets and particularly spiters as the 4064/Varget etc is too fasts and the 4350s are too slow. This results in the various 375 Improveds being able to obtain velocities with the heavier bullets which are oout of proportion to the increase in case capacity.

But as bullet weight goes down then the 4064/Varget rate becomes more suitable for the H&H and Re 15 in particular. The Re15 also offering the added speed from being a double base powder.

In a nutshell, the 375 Improveds are better for powder choice.

There are some high velocities posted on this and other forums for the 375 H&H with 300 grain bullets but I believe they are a result of using Chronys which often read high depending on lighting conditions.

As a side note, on the Wby website you can't via Product Upgrqade make a wood 375 H&H but you can do anything with the 375 Wby. But if you take the Kreiger cut rifle barrel and then go to Product Upgrade you can do what you like with the 375 H&H. However, the 375 Wby is not listed in the Kreiger cut rifle options.

Could all be website foul ups but I will ask Kven Nunes next weeks when he returns to work as I will be ring him about my next order from Wby.

By the way I just bought wahta is called a Safari Custom Classic that came out in 1993. They are the quarter rib, barrel band, front sight band etc. This one has has never been fired. Price wise they sat about 2/3rds of the way between the standard Deluxe and what and the Safari and and standard Crwon Custom.

I consider it a novelty gun with the the combination of 375 H&H, quarter ribs etc and a Made in Japan Wby and the classic style stock with dull finish. Having said that it is about the best 375 you will ever pick up to handle. There were 130 of them made. It is the first time in my life where I have bought a rifle whose main duty will be to sit in the safe. I will give it an occasional outing. However, it is hardly suitable for chasing roos accros the paddocks or wild nights of spotlight shooting as it can't be replaced.

Mike

Mike375,
Echols knows what he is doing with his .375 Weatherby rifle. If I did it again, in a .375 H&H length action for .375 Wby, I would use the Echols throat. It may even be shorter than the freebore of the standard .375 H&H, which I will have to go look up later, or maybe sumbuddy who know will post.

I too would take good care of a collector piece like your .375 H&H MkV.

The old H4350 was inferior to IMR-4350, but the new stuff (H4350 Extreme) is much different, and better, I am sure of that in my rifles. It is faster burning and more uniform than it used to be.

Well that certainly gives me more info on the 375 Weatherby than I got anywhere else. I had considered making up one to shoot the lighter bullets. Sort of a 375 sheep rifle but probably only ever used on groundhogs of which I have plenty. With a 350 grain solid though this seems like a real step up in power. Now if only I was sure of getting to Africa anytime soon.

Ron,

That was interesting what you said about H4350. Sounds good. Believe it or not but you get the new stuff before we do even though it is made here. Some of us who did more than try hit 4 gallon drums at 100 yards with a 30/06 were hoping that the big US market would improve the powders.

We are only just seeing Retumbo..ADI 2225

Mike

Mikelravy

John S has a few Echols rifles and a pair of them are made in 300 Wby so a 375 Wby was a logical step for him.

But in a nutshell it simply picks up more powders than the 375 H&H and this is doubly the case you if had a 375 Wby or other 375 Improved and simply settled on top 375 H&H potential ballistcs as the goal. The 375 Wby would get those even using less than ideal powders for it.

And as a bonus which RIP has pointed out it will fire 375 H&H and ammo and of couse use H&H brass.

In fact with mid weight bullets and powders around the 4064 and Reloader 15 burn ratest the top loads for a 375 Wby would probably fit in a 375 H&H case that had not been fireformed. I use to have a similar situation (at least in principle) with the 358 STA which is the 375 H&H necked to 358 and Improved....with some of the loads I used in the 358 STA....which would fit in the non fireformed neck down 375s.

Mike

Mike,
What you are saying about the RL-15 max loads (for .375 Wby and light to medium bullets) being able to fit into a .375 H&H case is correct. Of course it would be O.K. to fire these in the the .375 WBY chamber, but not too smart in the .375 H&H chamber.

I'll have to go dig up the freebore on the standard .375 H&H as well as the Echols freebore for the .375 Wby for comparison. I don't recall exactly what they were, but they were close.

The old H4350 was indeed comparable to IMR-4831.

The new H4350 Extreme is faster than IMR-4350. Definitely.

Mike,
I checked my .375 Wby file and found that John S had a .375 Wby with 0.1750" freebore, same as the .375 H&H. That has a 2 degree leade angle beyond the 0.1750" of parallel throat.

The AI and JRS .375's had a 0.2000" freebore with 2.5 degree leade.

The new .375 Wby standard throat is 0.3700" freebore with 1 degree and 2 minutes of leade. Works for me.

Original German made .375 Weatherby's bring a premium price when you can find one. Which isn’t often. I paid just over $2,300 for mine two years ago. I prefer the Weatherby version to the H&H and the .378 is over kill in my opinion. Just too much of a good thing. Lawdog

My .375 Weatherby (factory!) chambered Sako will be payed off in a few more weeks. When it comes I will measure the chamber and leade with cerrosafe and promptly report my findings to the club here. I have a Winchester CRF action off of a 7mm STW that Tom Burgess is going to regrind for me. I was going to use that action to make a 416 Rem Mag, but instead found a 300 RUM Winchester to convert into a .404 Jeffery. Soooooo, I may make the first action into a 375 Weatherby also.
A lot of 375 H&H rifles are a bit heavy for the mild kick of that cartridge. If you are going to tote the weight, you might as well have the horse power when you get there. My math might be a little off, but at first blush it seems that the 30-06 is to .308 caliber as the 338 Win Mag is to .338 caliber as the 375 Weatherby is to .375 caliber.
One advantage of the 375 Weatherby over the 375 H&H is that you can use a little more of a little slower powder and get a nicer, longer pressure curve that peaks lower.
I think the 375 Weatherby is what would have been invented in 1912 if slower burning stick powder had been available to the trade vis cordite strands.
Besides, the 375 Weatherby cartridge just looks bitchin.

dart

Lawndart,
I cannot fault you for a Sako in .375 Wby. The cartridge alone will make it worthwhile. Bully good line of rifles you are getting together there. Especially the M70's!

I'll bet the Sako has 0.3700" of freebore and a 1 degree 2 minute leade.

Shooting .375 H&H ballistics at lower pressures is another charm of the .375 Wby, no worries!

Hey Rip,
After one of my horse trades I ended up with a Sako AV hunter stock made out of a good quality laminate. I don't care too much for the new Sako 75 action, but I do have a weakness for all the older iterations.
I am starting to dote on CRF Winchesters as a starting point for rifles. BTW and OT, I am starting negotiations for a pristine pre-64 model 70 in .270 Win. The owner wants a couple AR-15's of all things.
You have led me out of the road to push feed hell (redundant phrase). I am now firmly on the high road to hand crafted CRF righteousness.

lawndart

lawndart,
I am only another sheep like you! Blame Ray for the afflictions of his bastard sons! It does make life less boring.

Even that Old Dog has learned some new tricks in his acceptance of high velocities and good bullets. That should last as long as his old bones can take the pounding.

Thanks anyway for the attribution, but I am not worthy.

Ron,

I will ring Wby next week when their good Mr Nunes returns and will probably be ordering either an upgraded deluxe with all steel bottom metal in either 375 H&H or 375 Wby.

Toss of a coin. I have the Safari Custom that looks likes a gentlemans weapon but is a Made in Japan do it does have some offensive characteristics assuming of course the observer is close and can read and it would be quite good to add a Wby of the real offensive type for the 375 H&H chambering.

But a 375 Wby would add to the 378s and sort of complete the Wby 375 bore size. A toss of the coin old boy.

Mike

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Ron,

I will ring Wby next week when their good Mr Nunes returns and will probably be ordering either an upgraded deluxe with all steel bottom metal in either 375 H&H or 375 Wby.

Toss of a coin. I have the Safari Custom that looks likes a gentlemans weapon but is a Made in Japan do it does have some offensive characteristics assuming of course the observer is close and can read and it would be quite good to add a Wby of the real offensive type for the 375 H&H chambering.

But a 375 Wby would add to the 378s and sort of complete the Wby 375 bore size. A toss of the coin old boy.

Mike

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Obviously you are going to go with the .375 Weatherby War Horse. Why would it be any other way? Why not see if you can get it as the DGR or at least try to get the dropbox magazine to work with the .375 Wby? That would be flash.

Ron,

By the way, before we get carried away I am not going to buy my H&H bolt gun from the Paris Gun Room. Scroll down to the bottom and check the bolt action prices in EUROS

http://www.hollandandholland.com/~paris/newguns/index.htm

Now back to the peasantry level. Actually it may well turn out to be another 378 as I was advised that way me soon face difficulties with more than 2 of the same calibe in the brand and next year I hope to be able to do the super offiensive Wby and in 378.

But irrespective I will ask Mr Nunes your question. The answer will be "Yes" I am now prepared to make that bet.

HOWEVER, (the is always one of these )I don't know what happens in America but in Australia as soon as you do anyhting that is not a catologued rifles, that is a picture of the rifle on the web or catologue, the deal between Weatherby and in our case the agent totally changes. I suspect it also happens in America.

I was in fact very interested in the DGR in Snow Camo Titanium Nitride finish in 378. BUT, they do not come standard with the all steel bottom metal, which is what I get. To get that changes the whole price and way up and they are already over priced a real lot.

But it also changes the whole service area and way up. For example the two 378s I had arrive at the latter part of last year just have the nicest actions you have felt, etc, and etc. They even phone to confirm the rifles have been shipped and on it goes.

A Crown Custom as you see on the Web is a catologued rifle and they come up to 340. If you wanted one in 378 then the whole ball game would change. On the othe hand instead of having the "pre packaged" Crown Custom" you have it as a "Build a Custom Gun". Two things happen. The price goes way up and so does the gun itself.

Here is a couple of real figures on the small scale as to what happens. In Australia a 378 Deluxe is listed at $3750AUD retail with the agent. By the way, the Australian agent would be one of the biggest single outlets for Wby in the World as it does all Australia, New Zaland and surrounding areas.

Back to our $3750AUS. In the big gun shop that would sell for about $3000AUS to $3200AUS. In my case I added the all steel bottom metal option which at Wby is $295US and a $103US wood option. That righ, $103US. So that inceased the value of the rifle by $398US which is $510AUS,

But the rifles cost $5250AUS each rather than the standard $3000 to $3200AUS which of course is all out of proportion to the initial increase.

I am just waiting from some gun law paper to complete to collect them but of course I have seen them. But as soon as you pick them up you can just tell they different and that ha been each persons reaction.

So to finish up and back to 375 Wby DGR I will bet you can get it and the drop magazine. But it will end up costing quite a bit but the rifle will be much better. It is an extremely personal service and that is worth a lot when you are 12000 miles away and especially when the rifles are better.

When you do this non catologued stuff they email or fax the importer "their price" which allows the retail to be determined. I git mine on these two 378s and I remember saying to Kevein Nunes....you warned me prices would not be a proportional increase but WOW!!..He said wait until you get the rifles!!!!

For example I wanted stocks that were blonde and as ckose to each other a could be. Well they are both blonde and you cant tell one rifle from the other. You virtually need to read the serial numbers

They have me for life.

Mike

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Ron,
Well they are both blonde and you cant tell one from the other.

They have me for life.

Mike

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Mike, you are a sick man! Got any female names picked out for this pair of twins.

As for H&H, they are just crazy. Still offering double rifles and bolt actions in .375 H&H Rimless Magnum at exorbitant prices to the ignorant niche market.

Weatherby pulled a "fast one" with the supposed re-introduction of the 375. According to the catalog, it was offered in the FiberMark, DGR and of course out fo the Custom Shop. Well the MINUTE the catalog was published, I tried for a year to obtain a Fibermark with no luck, Then the following year it was absent from the catalog, I was told, "oh, it's been discontinued." Bullshit, they never made it in the FiberMark, The 375 is a wondergul caliber, That Hornady "high Energy" stuff is not very good, at least not in any of the rifles I;ve tried it in. Very inconsistent. Nope, I'm afraid if you want one, it'll have to be a DGR or out of the Custom shop. jorge

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Weatherby pulled a "fast one" with the supposed re-introduction of the 375. According to the catalog, it was offered in the FiberMark, DGR and of course out fo the Custom Shop. Well the MINUTE the catalog was published, I tried for a year to obtain a Fibermark with no luck, Then the following year it was absent from the catalog, I was told, "oh, it's been discontinued." Bullshit, they never made it in the FiberMark, The 375 is a wondergul caliber, That Hornady "high Energy" stuff is not very good, at least not in any of the rifles I;ve tried it in. Very inconsistent. Nope, I'm afraid if you want one, it'll have to be a DGR or out of the Custom shop. jorge

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That all sounds like good info.

Then there was Winchester announcing the .404 Jeffery for 2004 ... and they spelled it "Jeffrey" ...

Ron and jorge,

Do you want me to ask Keven about 375 Wby when I call next week as in....can you have one in Fibermark or whatever and approx time. But as I said above it might cost more than expected as it would be off Product Upgrade.

Ron,

I like to look at that H&H stuff before I ambuying to put everyhing into a perspective.

Isn't 1 Euro equal to about $1.30US. If so those 375s are $50000US. It would be interesting see Purdeys price because they are the top of the tree.

I like H&H's detachbale mounts for the bolt action for $5000US.

Mike,
I have a FiberMark in .340 Weatherby. If I get a .375 Wby MkV it will have to be the DGR with the dropbox. You might ask about the price of one of those, if you are calling anyway. Then I can ask my local dealer if he can get one, then try calling myself. In .375 Wby it would have panache.

BTW, wasn't the FiberMark the first factory rifle ever to offer a fiberglass/synthetic stock in 1985? And weren't those stocks originally made by McMillan? I have the original 1985 "first edition." I carried that rifle a lot to Kodiak Island for deer hunting. I fired it a few times one moonless night when a brown bear sniffed my tent wall. After that I got a .375 Weatherby.

Ron,

I will ask him about DGR, 375 Wby with drop box. The price he will give me is simply recommended retail price.

I will ask about availability/time etc and report back here. If it was me (and it maybe different in USA) I would then ring the fellow in Wby yourself, I can tell him will call or whatever, and do your own legwork and then Wby will give your dealer a price.

From memory Drop Box is a Product Upgrade but DGR does not enter the Product Upgrade system. But that does not always matter because when I was interested in Snow Camo in 378 I wanted 26 inch barrel plus brake but 24 plus brake was standard. But that was no problem. But that might have been because the Safari was 26 plus break and is the same barrel and sight.

Yes, I think you are right about the Fibermark

By the way, much of what is listed in Product Upgrade can be bought as separate components. To my limited knowledge the drop box relates only two the magazine and not the stock and sort of sticks down a bit like a HS Precision detachable magazine.

I think a lot of stuff like 375 H&H and 375 Wby comes out and they know collectors will at least cover the costs and I guess Winchester etc. does the same. Weatherby send to the Australian agent at different times "special deals" and the importer uses supplies these to favoured gun shops. Some here at the monent are DGR in 375 H&H and 458 Lott, discounted down like you would not believe.

I would feel the general market for Wby with 375 H&H, 375 Wby and 458 Lott would be very small and especially for 375 H&H. But then you never know. I know some who have bought Wby 375 Stainless in Australia because CZ is generally seen as shit out here (a general brand, el cheapo, bargain basement) and the Wby has the much longer magazine than the Winchester.

Just as a side note it is interesting how pricing impacts on perceived quality. In Australia because we are are paying import taxes and uties and freight on all guns the relative pricing positions are different to America. So a CZ is cheaper for us compared to M70 and Rem 700 than it is for you and that is also the case for Sako. But the gaps from Sakos to different Wbys is higher for us than you.

Mike

Aye aye, Mike. Thanks.

RIP,
Did you ever try the R19 loadings I suggested? My rifle still prefers it over any of the others.

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RIP,
Did you ever try the R19 loadings I suggested? My rifle still prefers it over any of the others.

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Cesli Wakan! John S, it is good to hear from you.

Yes I did try the RL-19 with 92.0 grain charge in the Weatherby brass, with GM215M primer and 300 grain Hornady RNSP. This gave me 2709 fps.

MRP at 92.0 grains with same other components as above gave me 2742 fps and better accuracy.+

MRP was more accurate than RL-19 for me too.

Lot to lot variation?

Each rifle is a beast unto itself, but mine like the H4350 at 84 grains to 88 grains, depending on the COL (3.600" or 3.800"), and the bullet too, of course.

I also put the 92.0 grains of MRP into Hornady basic brass (3 grains smaller water capacity than Weatherby brass) with a GM215M primer and a 300 grain Sierra GameKing at 3.600" COL and got 2804 fps.

Gotta wonder if the increased velocity is from too high pressure with that one. 24" M70 velocity and 3.600" COL.

For Whatever reason, RL-19 was not as good for me, maybe just a bad lot. MRP and H-4350 were best performers.

Edit: It was getting too late for me when I started getting confused between RL-19 and RL-22. I have deleted any claim that RL-19 and MRP are the same. It is indeed RL-22 and MRP that are the same.

Ron,

2800 is really hopping with 24 inch barrel but Reloader/Norma powder can go fast.

My understanding is that the Reloader and Norma powders are made by the same place in Europe as is the new Winchester XTR magnum powder.

However, the reject bin they use for Norma might contain more powder at the end of each run

I think if so many people were not running 375 H&Hs over Chronys they would realise how much more potent the 375 Improveds are with 300 grainers as compared to the 375 H&H.

An Oehler slows them down

Mike

MRP was supposed to be the same as R22, IIRC. But I have been wrong before!

John,

That is the impression I have been under and so is the new Winchester.

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MRP was supposed to be the same as R22, IIRC. But I have been wrong before!

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John & Mike,
You are right and I went back to correct it. My bad. I am awake now. Anyway, we may be the only 3 people in the world who care about this, so I am glad we got that point corrected and now everyone understands.