how about a 408 cheytac built my american hunting rifles ? it is based off the 505 gibbs case so i know it would fit the cz action or granite mountain . fires a 419 grain solid at 3000 fps from a 33" barrel i think .this seems like it would be great on just about anything .plus it expensive caliber to shoot so thats attractive .second is the 416 barrett could be built in a double rifle about the fram size of a 600-700 nitro express 20 lb gun = 97 ft lbs of recoil . and id bet better pentration over anything out there now 400 grain @ 3300 fps ,9,400 ft lbs of ME . i like the idea of the 408 ct in a hunting rifle .Going to ask AHR about this to see

A 33" bbl in Africa?

A 20lb rifle in Africa?

How bout a 20-24", 9-10lb 416 with a 400gr @ 2400, and destroy anything that was meant to be shot in Africa at the ranges DG prolly should be shot at?

Although I have yet to venture over the big pond, have you seriously considered your choices?

CHEYTAC and barrett can't be exported, period.. its miltech ... and, frankly, in that rig, its not a hunting, its a sniping, combo..

600ne is generally 15-16lb, 700 ne, closer to 20 .. but the rounds you describe are high pressure, unfit for double rifles, as they would blow them apart .. and i thought kinda the same thing in my later 20s, eaerly 30s, until i found out what big bores actually are.

what 2 for me?
550express for hippo, and any of the 500, 470, 458, 416 ARs .. or 375 ruger ... in a rifle i built myself

Lie down till these thoughts go away.-Rob

416 and 408 arent military calibers yes they were desgin IN HOPES for military use but the military has not publicly adopted these 2 calibers and the only thnig i know of is the 50 bmg or 223 nato calibers being banned

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Lie down till these thoughts go away.-Rob

Good advice.
It crossed my mind very briefly, until a nap cleared the brain.

Bolt thrust issues will require a 50BMG-sized action. You cannot do the required pressures, for .408 Chey-Tac performance wished for, in a CZ or GM action.

.416 Barrett in a double rifle???

You might as well just hot-load a .416 Rigby or .378 or .416 Wby.

perhaps you could make do with a 300 H&H and a 450 Dakota...?

Rich
bring it

Friend Idaho is closer to right than is customary.

Howzabout a 30.06 and a .416 Rigby? You could easily acquire both for the cost of the Cheytac.

BTW, the .416 Rigby is a bit too much for me. So, obviously, .375 H&H, if you share my distaste for recoil.

Good hunting.

no good deed goes unpunished.. best of luck to you..

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Originally posted by tk10ga:
how about a 408 cheytac built my american hunting rifles ? it is based off the 505 gibbs case so i know it would fit the cz action or granite mountain . fires a 419 grain solid at 3000 fps from a 33" barrel i think .this seems like it would be great on just about anything .plus it expensive caliber to shoot so thats attractive .second is the 416 barrett could be built in a double rifle about the fram size of a 600-700 nitro express 20 lb gun = 97 ft lbs of recoil . and id bet better pentration over anything out there now 400 grain @ 3300 fps ,9,400 ft lbs of ME . i like the idea of the 408 ct in a hunting rifle .Going to ask AHR about this to see

Have at it.

Please post pictures of the results of your safari.

George

Get a Thompson Encore with two barrels one in 270win and the otherin .375 H&H and practice reloading them fast. You can do EVERYTHING in Africa with that combo and it will allow you more money for Trophy fees, TIPS and Dipping fees.-Rob

When I went to Africa I took my 300 RUM shooting
200gr Partitions and I got 4 animals.

I also killed a bear in canada same rifle.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:

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Originally posted by tk10ga:
how about a 408 cheytac built my american hunting rifles ? it is based off the 505 gibbs case so i know it would fit the cz action or granite mountain . fires a 419 grain solid at 3000 fps from a 33" barrel i think .this seems like it would be great on just about anything .plus it expensive caliber to shoot so thats attractive .second is the 416 barrett could be built in a double rifle about the fram size of a 600-700 nitro express 20 lb gun = 97 ft lbs of recoil . and id bet better pentration over anything out there now 400 grain @ 3300 fps ,9,400 ft lbs of ME . i like the idea of the 408 ct in a hunting rifle .Going to ask AHR about this to see

Have at it.

Please post pictures of the results of your safari.

George

+1

I think I understand where you are going with this. Taking two rifles to Africa is cumbersome and you never have the right rifle with you when you need it. While I haven't personnally tried out the combination I recommend, (I have it from a good source: my father, Battery Commander of the 103 AAA attached to the 33rd Field Artillery of the 26th Infantry Regiment of the Big Red One), quad 50s on a half-track will provide both mobility and firepower. Would seem to be perfect for field conditions. Just as with a shotgun or a .22 rimfire, don't take it with you, ask the PH if he has one in camp.

Even if you start out thinking that you like that long and heavy rifle, by the time your safari ends you will have learned to hate it with a passion.

IMHO, at normal African DG ranges, performance on heavy, thick-skinned game peaks with heavy for caliber bullets driven to 2,400 - 2,500 fps.

More than that is unnecessary, and, because of over-penetration issues, can even be counterproductive.

Plus, a rifle with a barrel as long as 33 inches would be unwieldy, and far too slow to put into action for my tastes.

A bolt action with such a long pipe on it would be very close to five feet long!

As for the weight, I am not bothered by a heavy rifle, but even I blanch at the thought of carrying a 20 pounder around all day!

You guys appear to be getting yanked around by some inventive teenager. Good grief.

Will- Duh! Think we dont realize that?-Rob

Von Gruff.

My ideal 2 rifle african battery is the same as Craig Boddington's.

.338 Win Mag and a .416 rem mag/rigby/taylor

actually i was really thinking about a 416 barrett but not for africa . most likly gun i plan on getting is a left hand stainless A-BOLT 26" barrel then send it back to broning for a boss muzzle brake .and double tap load 300 grain accubond 2600 fps i think could be more. with a optic of 2' fov at least at 100 yards

Your initial post speaks of you getting a DR with 97 ft/lbs of recoil....now this post you want to brake a 375 H&H?.....WOW

either a newbie, i HOPE, or a troll ...

browning doesn't add boss to rifles, youngster .. in fact, they don't do ANY custom gunwork .. winchester does some, well, did.. but not now ... adding a brake is an easy job ..

and yeah, the rounds are considered miltech, and you can't export them .. PERIOD.

+1

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Originally posted by Brazos Jack:
My ideal 2 rifle african battery is the same as Craig Boddington's.

.338 Win Mag and a .416 rem mag/rigby/taylor

I dont think you would be allowed to enter any African country with those weapons. They will think you want to stage a coup. The only two HUNTING rifles you would need in Africa is a .375 H&H and a .375 H&H.

one rifle with synthetic stock (something that does not break in transport) in cal. .416 with 350gr and 400gr loads and couple of scopes in qd mounts make lot of sense. Sighted 2.5" high at 100 350gr Swift will drop about 5" at 300yards. Provided one can master this caliber small bore rifle is just excess baggage.

I will just stick with my 375 H&H and 416 Rigby,,, until I win the lotto and buy a double,,

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Originally posted by tk10ga:
how about a 408 cheytac built my american hunting rifles ? it is based off the 505 gibbs case so i know it would fit the cz action or granite mountain . fires a 419 grain solid at 3000 fps from a 33" barrel i think .this seems like it would be great on just about anything .plus it expensive caliber to shoot so thats attractive .second is the 416 barrett could be built in a double rifle about the fram size of a 600-700 nitro express 20 lb gun = 97 ft lbs of recoil . and id bet better pentration over anything out there now 400 grain @ 3300 fps ,9,400 ft lbs of ME . i like the idea of the 408 ct in a hunting rifle .Going to ask AHR about this to see

Hah hah hah! Funny post!

465H&H

Do what I did:

600 Overkill as the "heavy" and .416 Weatherby as the "light".

This way you can never be "undergunned" even when carrying the "light".

OTH, just get a .416 in whatever flavor floats your boat - Taylor, Remington, Rigby, Ruger or Weatherby are among the many out there. All will get the job done with aplomb.

Or just a 600 Overkill

600 OverKill and a 375 of your choice loaded with 200gr GSC HV maxed out!

troll or not, the post did generate some legitimate opinions.

Rich
DRSS

I just watched the Elephant Charge in "African Big Game Hunting" here.



Posted 17 September 2010 18:34

Attached is a link to a You Tube clip of the elephant charge. I apologize that the quality of the video is not up to the other clips but the compression rate of the video was not set for You Tube. Nevertheless, you get the essence. The rifle was actually a .500 NE, thankfully. Distances are deceptive on videos. The charge was actually stopped at five paces.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...JX8s&feature=channel

It's sort of like being stuck on the tracks in front of a freight train. Until I saw this clip, I figured the elephants just sort of stood there and let you drop them. I changed my mind . . . and the .458 Lott looks WAY too small for elephant.

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Originally posted by ted thorn:

Ted
You have this guy pegged...

.338 Lapua
.416 Rigby
Take-down Mauser Mag.Action

Best
2RECON

Take Down? How 'bout one of these. Choose as many different calibers as you want!

No, not two calibers for Africa. Just take one . . .

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Take Down? How 'bout one of these. Choose as many different calibers as you want!

Something like this........
http://www.waffenjung.de/html/takedown.html

Best
2RECON

IMHO, the perfect do-everything, 2-gun African setup is a .375 H&H and a 12 ga pump.

Not that that's what I do every time, I like to play with guns as much as everyone else here, but there's no question that it works for EVERYTHING on the PLANET, not just in Africa.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Take Down? How 'bout one of these. Choose as many different calibers as you want!

MIGHTY FINE

Again another stunning example of functional artistry