I was thinking how many shoots do you can shoot at 5 seconds if you are in a stress situaion whit calibers like 416,460,500 even whit 577 and 600.

I was have think that if i build a 577 T-REX and the weight off the rifle is 12 kg. Then the recoil would not be hard at all.

How many shoots do i can shoot then at 5-6 seconds.

Some buddy who know...?

With some practice I can empty my 500 Jeffery in 5 seconds. That amounts to three shots out of my 9 pound M700.
In fact I can shoot the 500 Jeffery as fast as I could shoot the 416 Remington Mag.

Kent

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That should be possible with my 585 Nyati as well. With reasoneble loads and practice that is.....

Then the buff have no chance to kill you, if you can shoot 3 shoots in 5 seconds.

Isn�t that right guys...

Oh, you mean you want the bullets to go into a target in a rather aimed fashion???

whoops Bill that makes tings a little harder:-)

Overkill,

I want to point out a big difference between fast shooting and accurate shooting. If I'm in stress situtation whatever my caliber used I prefer shot one time on shoulder or on brain than shot 3 times anywhere. I have done this test situation at my range, two shots with my .458 Win Mag with self control not panic this between 5 and 7 seconds. It will take min 2 seconds for aiming the target by shot (ggod shot). If you can shoot 3 times in less than 5 seconds with great accuracy you are a very good sniper (I doubt).

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I was thinking how many shoots do you can shoot at 5 seconds if you are in a stress situaion whit calibers like 416,460,500 even whit 577 and 600.

I was have think that if i build a 577 T-REX and the weight off the rifle is 12 kg. Then the recoil would not be hard at all.

How many shoots do i can shoot then at 5-6 seconds.

Some buddy who know...?[/QUOTE]

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My previous post was dealing with aimed shots at 30 yards. I can empty my 500 Jeffery into a 8 inch pie pan at 30 yards in 5 seconds. It is not that difficult to snap shot with a little practice. I consider this to be snap shooting by the way not sniping.

Kent

To pass the shooting requirement for the South Afrcian Professional Hunters exam one of the requirements is to hit a 4" black square on a sheet of paper at three distances under 10 seconds. All three must hit. They are placed at 30 yards to your right, the next is 20 yards to your left, and the third is 10 yards to your right again. This requres you to swing the gun back and forth to aquire the target. They also mix up the sides they will be so you must pay attention and look for them. Nobody passed this test with a gun bigger then 375HH! I know it's possible but most guys had a hard time with 30/06, 7mm mag, and 338's. To think anyone is going to do this with a 500 jeffery would be foolish. I am not a gambler but I would take that bet! As stated above there is a big difference between shooting fast and hitting a 4" square with a time constraint and 20 of your peers watching you shoot! I did this and passed my portion of the test with a 375HH I shot the test 6 times making all three targets 3 of the six times and hitting 2 of three the other 3 times. You get a day to practice and two attempts to pass. If you think for one second this is an easy requirement give it a try!

Recently I spoke with a guy who had a list of all the makes of rifles the PH's used to take this test. What a surprising amount of failures from the same makes of guns. The fail to feed and cleanly eject was consistant among certain models. This was with hundreds of tests given and the records that were kept by the instructors.

It's one thing to think your rifle feeds and ejects perfectly until you start half stroking the action under stress because of the time constraints and slamming the bolt shut without a shell in the chamber then hearing only a "click" with your third shot!

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That PH test sounds challenging. I think I will set something up like that and try it out. I'll bet that rifle that continues to jam was made by a company in New Haven Conneticut.

Kent

It was not only one brand but the "ones" doing it were consistant through out.

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In that case it must be the CRF actions that jam.

Kent

Nope, Sorry no CRF jams, a couple had the floorplate open while shooting but they had no observed frequency of jamming or failing to feed.

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Hi JJ,
I would love to get my hands on that info regarding both the PH reqs and the failure stats. Is there any way you could direct me towards it?

I have to say that in regards to the start of this thread,

"That one shot could be the differance between life and death, so make it count!"

My father in 1981, my first bear hunting trip.

JJHACK,

Great information on the test. I am planning on trying it this weekend with my .500 A-Square. I am curious to which actions failed.

Jon

JJHack

How are the targets arranged. You in the middle? How far does one have to swing, 90 deg or 180 deg? Want to try this myself with all my calibres
Thanks

OK, I went and tried this simple little test, just KNEW I would pass easily. What a HUMILATING EXPERIENCE! No real problem with the light rifle, a 7x57 mm Ackley improved, still fairly doable with the medium, a .338x'06 Ackley improved, and completely beyond my ability with any of my heavies. I tried a .458 Winchester, a .416 Rigby, a .425 on a shortened .404 case and two doubles, a .465 and a .470. I tried the trick of keeping loaded rounds between the fingers of my off hand and promptly dropped them on touching off the first shot. My opinion of the skill of a real PH just went up another notch, and it was pretty high already.

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Originally posted by JJHACK:
To pass the shooting requirement for the South Afrcian Professional Hunters exam one of the requirements is to hit a 4" black square on a sheet of paper at three distances under 10 seconds. All three must hit. They are placed at 30 yards to your right, the next is 20 yards to your left, and the third is 10 yards to your right again. This requres you to swing the gun back and forth to aquire the target. They also mix up the sides they will be so you must pay attention and look for them. Nobody passed this test with a gun bigger then 375HH! I know it's possible but most guys had a hard time with 30/06, 7mm mag, and 338's. To think anyone is going to do this with a 500 jeffery would be foolish. I am not a gambler but I would take that bet! As stated above there is a big difference between shooting fast and hitting a 4" square with a time constraint and 20 of your peers watching you shoot! I did this and passed my portion of the test with a 375HH I shot the test 6 times making all three targets 3 of the six times and hitting 2 of three the other 3 times. You get a day to practice and two attempts to pass. If you think for one second this is an easy requirement give it a try!

Recently I spoke with a guy who had a list of all the makes of rifles the PH's used to take this test. What a surprising amount of failures from the same makes of guns. The fail to feed and cleanly eject was consistant among certain models. This was with hundreds of tests given and the records that were kept by the instructors.

It's one thing to think your rifle feeds and ejects perfectly until you start half stroking the action under stress because of the time constraints and slamming the bolt shut without a shell in the chamber then hearing only a "click" with your third shot!

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12kg?? That is a 26.45lb gun. True the recoil should be tamed conciderably, but I'm not sure I would want to carry it for long.

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Jon B,
If you have a Hannibal watch out for the short stroke. I almost fainted when I was checking feeding, chambering and ejection for a bunch of reloads I had just made. Here I thought my beautiful multi-thousand dollar rifle wasn't reliable. I must have fed, chambered and ejected those particular reloads 10 times for each shell. The problem was very simple, I had to pull the bolt back all the way. DOH!

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Richard10X: thanks for your honest and humble opinion. I have had this conversation or debate with countless people and all usually make the comment that the test sounds pretty easy. Many have considered my opinion that larger then the 375HH being very difficult to be foolish. I would like to be there breathing down their necks when they try it. The crowd effect of your peers watching you, and the true difficulty to accomplish this with a stop watch running is high!

The fastest time recorded when I was in school was 7.something seconds pretty close to 7 exactly. I broke 8 seconds one time with the 375HH and the other times were right around 8.5-9 seconds. The biggest time problem the guys had was ejecting the cases clean. You really must "slam" the bolt back and slam the bolt forward every time.

I recieved the data regarding the failures verbally. I can look into the hard copy for you when I am In Afrcia in a couple months for my hunting season.

Oh I forgot this question! The first target is about 10 feet to the side the second is about 20 feet to the other side and the last target is about 15 feet to the side. just enough to screw with your concentration!jj

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