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Just got an E-mail from North Fork bullets, and they will introduce soft points and Cup and Flat nose solids for the 500NE and 505 Gibbs after the first of the year. Used their soft nose 375 H&H and 30 caliber bullets on recent trip to Africa, and they performed very well. Good to see good quality bullet makers making the bigger stuff. | ||
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They make those 550gr flat nose bullets for the 458 Lott also. | |||
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I had heard in the past that using NF softs in a double is not recommended. Also heard the solids were ok due to a little different design. Is this truth or myth? Double Rifle Shooters Society | |||
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Unless they have changed the design, the softs have a solid copper shank with a different groove design than the solids, including an ungrooved section. That is why I see a recommendation not to use them in doubles. Picture here. Ask on the DR board for more details. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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That is great news. I love the NF softs and the solids may work in my .500 A2. I may have to rethink my addiction to the .509" Barnes bullets. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Butch Searcy says North Forks would work great in his rifles. I think some of the past opinions might have been made referring to older British doubles. North Forks are made for the 470 NE, and I will use some of their 300 Gr 375 bullets for my 375 Flanged. I think a lot of rifles were made with and regulated with the Old Kynoch bullets which Woodleighs replicate. It will be interesting to see what their design on the 500 NE would be if they make a soft nose. I can't imagine them making a bullet for the 500 NE with out ensuring that it would not be safe to shoot. Not an expert but just passing on what I've heard. Any other opinions? | |||
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I would not use the North Fork soft points (SP) in my doubles, for the reasons Charles has elucidated. That is what the Cup Point is for, a banded "expanding" bullet for delicate antique doubles, or any old bolt action trash. I would use only Cup Points (CP) and Flat Points (FP) in the antique doubles. Both have true driving bands that are low stress for thin-walled doubles. Use the softs (SP), and CP and FP, in the mono-rifles. Bolt action superiority is a fact in every aspect except speed of second shot. | |||
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I emailed NF and here is their response for those who are interested......
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Kelly I think they do believe that, but I certainly don't believe it. That statement above in print may come back to bite them in the butt! The CPS, and FPS are fine in older doubles, but IMO the soft is risky. The soft would be an easy fix with the grooves simply turned on up over the solid area to where the soft core starts. If they do not do this, the softs from North Fork will not be fired in any of my double rifles, new or old! I truely wish they would fix their soft, because it is a very good soft for Buffalo, and the cats. I now use the CPS for Buffalo, and if I hunt ele thier FPS will be my choice. I simply do not see risking a rifle that costs $10k up, for one bullet, when there are safer choices that will do the job as well as the North Fork Soft point! The North Fork CPS and FPS are bullets that are safe in any double rifle, IMO! If anyone thinks the value of the NF soft is worth the risk to thier double I have no problem with them useing it. It just won't be used in my double!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Mac: In an older gun, why not just shoot Hawks for practice and lighter game and then maybe switch to Woodleighs for hunting the heavier stuff? Hawks are really soft and I think that Hawk specifically markets their "soft" bullets for use in older or worn barrels. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave that is exactly what most of us do! The Hawks are OK for deer and pigs, and cheap enough so you can get in a lot of practice! In fact thanks for reminding me, I need to order a batch of Hawks for the 9.3, 450, and 470! I've used Woodlieghs for a long time,but they are just a little soft on buffalo, though they work, the North Fork CPS is a better bullet for Buff! I'd like to try some of Hornady's new dangerous game softs as well. ...................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Completely new dies guys. Anything newly designed for compatability in doubles will be a two diameter design. To get an idea, look at the pics of the 458FP 45-70 bullet. The lands are the only part to touch the barrel. I did not recommend the use of the original soft points in doubles because of a short solid section of the bullet that did contact the barrel. That does not exist in the new designs (474, 505 and 510). The new soft points should be even easier on barrels than the FPS and CPS. Mike (who does not own it anymore)  | |||
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Well, ain't we glad you're out of the way.  That is how the softs should be made anyway. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Thanks for the heads up Mike. That is good news I assure you! I predict the DRSS will be useing pleanty of those softs, right along with the CPS, and FPS! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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