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Hello friends.
I ran into a new item in a catalog today;
Zastava Arms, Mod. Safari, Magnum mauser, buildt on the M98 system.(?????)
The reason I'm interested is that it had a very nice price. Approx.$630, and a CZ 550 costs approx.$1000 here in Norway. As I could see in the catalog, it was avalable in .458 Win and 375 H&H chamberings. I think I've got to have a closer look at this one in the beginning of next week. New prosjects are waiting!!!(a 375 RUM, or 8,59 Titan, or 500 A-Square.........who knows??)
Have any of you out there, any knowledge about these rifles, good or bad?????

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My understanding is that they 1) used to be marketed in the U. S. by Charles Daly, 2) are not currently because of sanctions against the former Yugoslavia, and 3) they make the only left handed CRF big bore rifles competitive in price with Winchester's Classic Model 70's.

If anyone knows how an American can get ahold of one of these guns, I'd be glad to hear about it. Winchester (USRAC) wants $900-1000 for nominally comparable stuff.

H. C.

 
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they are once again being imported by kbi under the daily name. priced pretty cheap. any dealer carring charles daily stuff can order one.
 
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According to the Charles Daly website, these actions are currently available.

http://www.charlesdaly.com/HTML/products/firearms/rifles/barreledActions/mauserBarreled.asp

 
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3) they make the only left handed CRF big bore rifles competitive in price with Winchester's Classic Model 70's.

If anyone knows how an American can get ahold of one of these guns, I'd be glad to hear about it. Winchester (USRAC) wants $900-1000 for nominally comparable stuff.

H. C.


Henry,
They're not importing the big LH actions yet. The first LH rifles will be in .30-06, followed by the mini-Mauser .223 family. At some point, the LH big bores will arrive (hopefully).
These LH rifles are available in Europe now. I think Deerdogs bought one.

George

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Arild,

These actions and rifles by Zastava, and are reported to be the same as the former Mark X Mausers. KBI/Charles Daly is the US importer. They are also the importer of a .45 acp M1911A1 pattern handgun from the Phillipines which is known to my sources to be of signifiacntly softer steel.

The knock I hear on them from Zimbabwe where they have been imported from Eastern Europe is the barrel steel is soft and they wear out quickly.

I hear from the Montanta Rifleman that my left hand M99 action from them will ship about June, 2002. It will then go to John Ricks to be the prototype for my LH stopping rifle design and line of rifles for the trade.

This is a Henry Ford design; in that the line will have LH & RH rifles in .458 Lott, blue steel, matte finish, iron sights (ghost ring rear), suitable laminated walnut stock with cast off. I am looking for a Ford Model T price structure, but we will see.

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Hi Arild!

That was good news!
Where did you find these gun???
I hope it�s possible to find it here in Norway?

Ola

 
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Hello Ola.
Yes, this really is good news.
I got a katalog from "Jaktdepotet" together with my new issue of "JAKT". I belive this is the "new" Aaserud store, owned by "Magasinet" down in the Drammen area. They dont have these rifles in the store yet, but they told me over the fone that they are "just around the corner".

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Hi HunterJim.
Is the action in this rifles made of bad steel to, or is this somthing comparable with the Brno 602's.
I'm thinking of getting one in 375 H&H, and rechamber it for the 375 RUM, or Dakota,
or the full version: 375/404 (then I can use Norma-brass).

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Jeez o pete, Alf, do you ever forego a chance to pee on the US?

Here is what I was alluding to in my post above:

African Hunter, African Perspectives page III, Vol 7 #6, Lessons Learned

Rifle Lessons learned from the Zimbabwe Professional Hunter Proficiency Exam
by Don Heath

"Interarms Mk X. Apart from the fact that the barrels are soft and wear out vey quickly, these are intrinsically sound rifles that are simply shoddiy put together. They are famed for springing the magazine floor plate open and dumping the contents on the firers feet. Never seen one that wouldn't feed reliably though, and with a little bit of gun smithing to make the safety catch more positive (it is also on the "wrong" side) so tht is doesn't get accidentally swept on as the bolt is opened (or accidentally knocked off in the bush) and the stock properly bedded to cure the "magazine dump" they can be made into very workable rifles. They are though, very definitely rifles that you take first to your gunsmith and only them to the bush as the two students at Rifa discovered."

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These are the same MkX actions used by Whitworth to build the Whitworth express rifles, and Interarms Alaskan rifles. Even the hole spaceing for the scope bases are the same as the FN mauser, of which the MkX is a copy, built on the FN machinery. They are good actions, and you don't have to worry about the steel, It is Poldi. By it and build anything that will fit in it, and go hunting!

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There never was a better rifle than an original FN, pre Browning type...the Whitworths in 375 and 458 are one of the better deals on todays market.

Mk X soft barrels is hooey, and they shoot very well indeed. Has anyone seen a Mk10 barrel shot out in a big game caliber? I think not..they are finished a little rough and need some tinkering of course, all factory rifles do..

The Brno is not and has never been a part of CZ. Even the City of Brno refused to let CZ use the Brno name, according one of the gun rags. Not a condemnation of CZ as they are one of todays best but again with a bit of tinkering..

The mk x, the new C. Daly both will need triggers, bottom metal and safties..and a bit of finishing..

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Ray,

You are comparing grapes and grapefruit.

There is no question of the quality of the Belgian made Fabrique Nationale (FN) actions which generally were made and imported into the US from pre-world War II until Browning pretty much consumed their output in their FN Browning rifles.

The Interarms Mark X was built to the same pattern; however, it was done by Zavodi Crvena Zastava in Czechoslavakia.

The FN action and the Mark X are the same design, but they are made by different factories.

The Whitworth as imported in the US of A used the Mark X action; it was not the FN action.

We are not talking about Lothar Walther barrels here, rather they are your basic $10 barrels. They are soft, and wear out more quickly that even Remington barrels.

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460wby, if I were you I would consider buying a used Brno 602, they pop up on the used market in Norway from time to time, something like $450 -600 and that is a bargain, the come in .375H&H and .458Win. You can rechamber the .458 easily to .458Lott or make a .404/416 of it....The actions are rock solid, just need a little polishing, and the Elektro Poldi Steel they are made of is premium, ask any metallurgist, even John Rigby ( J.Roberts) used these actions in the later years...
 
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I bought one, and the finishing did not take long.They have a different button design for the mag release, and I like it..The trigger is polished very well, as well as the bottom metal..All in all very good value in my estimation. It does have some rough spots, but most are in places you don't see...
 
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I once owned one: a short rifle, 20" bbl, regular stock, .30-06. Accuracy was acceptable, nothing to write home about. Bolt cycling was creepy. Sold it and bought a Win Supergrade CRF.

I think they are made in Yugoslavia ( Serbia? ), not CZ. I think these are those rifles some guys wrote about the fantastic speeds they got in .375.

I think this is not a true Magnum action, rather a conventional 98 with action opened up front and rear. I would appreciate further inputs, as I think about buying one in .375.

Hermann

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Pondoro.
I'm also thinking of a Brno 602, but most original 602's has a terrible stock. I have a 602 already, in 460wby, but that has a custom straight stock. But I dont know what the Zastava stock looks like, though. Maybe it's the same shit. Why have'nt those stockmakers been shot?? The 602 (and 550) are fine rifles, but that shape on their stocks even makes a 375 H&H a handfull to shoot.

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I just wanted to say, that I bought this as an action only..in the white, as I will be making a semi-custom out of it..I had a friend of mine get it from brownells. I am completely happy as to the finishing, and will only be able to know how straight it is when sent to the gunsmith. I am sure it will be a fine rifle..I have 2 of the earlier Interarms, and am completely happy with both..I have one that was never shot till last weekend, and the the first 3 shots were under 3/4" so it will shoot by the time I ge through with it..
 
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Good to hear!!
I'm happy for you, and I think I'll soon be happy for me too.

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Zavodi Crvena Zastava is NOT in my country or Slovakia.

Here are many armories. One is "Ceska zbrojovka Uhersky Brod", making CZ550 rifles, CZ75, CZ85 pistols, etc.

http://www.czub.cz

Another one is "Zbrojovka Brno", they make Brno 98 rifles etc.

http://www.zbrojovka.com/a_zbuvod.htm

Another factories make military or target weapons etc.

Time ago, rifles from my country was known as Brno, but the most of them was made in "Uhersky Brod".


Jiri

 
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Alf,

I agree about the previous situation with respect to the Iron Curtain and trade in firearms coming this way. Some of the better firearms did get known over here, but acquiring them was a genuine pain in the neck.

I did manage to acquire a BRNO M602 .375 H&H years ago, and it convinced me that they understood steel and walnut well indeed. I would say that what we are seeing here now under the Chay Zed label is the most rifle for the dollar in our market. What they sell their .416 Rigby for is an amazing deal, everybody should buy one.

I thinkj we shooters over here would be better served by "improved importers", i.e. ones with enough capital to bring the firearms insufficient numbers and market them properly.

Have a good.

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Hunter Jim,

Read my posts more carefully as you have a misconception of my meaning. I was not comparing apples to oranges, at all..I know the difference.

I was trying to show that although FN sold out to Zastava as quoted by Alf, that there was little comparison between the quality of the two. Perhaps I was not clear.

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Ray,

Your wrote:I was trying to show that although FN sold out to Zastava as quoted by Alf, that there was little comparison between the quality of the two. Perhaps I was not clear.

You are right, I didn't get it the first time.

I have it, and agree with you.

Aside: I am still waiting for the shipping of the two M99 Montanan actions (one LH, one RH).

jim dodd

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Hello everybody, as I�m a big bore fan this forum is superb. The Charles Daly actions are available from Brownells, at around 400 US for the long magnum action. I received their last update three days ago , and they look like a good deal.
Good hunting to everybody.
 
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Just to keep things clear:

The Charles Daly actions are standard length. They are opened up to accept magnum cartridges. The only reasonably priced long magnum action that even remotely resembles a mauser is the CZ550. We need someone to directly compare the Charles Daly with the EAA/Brno in all aspects. I have a feeling the Brno may be of better quality than the Daly/Zastava.

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the Chas. Daly action is simply the Mark 10, and they are all std. lenth action..They open up the standard action for the 375 and they open all of it up front and that is supposed to be a big no, no and not safe, BUT I know of no Mark 10s or Whitworths in 375 or 458 that have blown up or developed headspace..

I do know of some MK 10's that have developed headspace in the 7 STW caliber, and some FN's as well....

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Hi Ray.
Do you think a 375 RUM would be to much for that action??

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