Any sissy can handle a big bore rifle. How about a big bore pistol?

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This video has been out for awhile. I have a T.C. Encore in 460 weatherby. I shot it 3 times with full house loads. It broke apart the first time and did some real damage to my wrist (broke it), and cut the ligament in my shooting finger. All I was left holding was the grip frame. I had it fixed and shot it twice more. It stayed together for the last 2 shots, but still kicked like a mule. Recoil could only be described as BRUTAL. I have since, retired the gun to my safe, no need to push my luck. I would like to know what kind of 600 nitro load was used. Was it a full factory load or a reduced load? Does anybody know? I am glad there are other nuts out there. I love it !!

Forrest,

The shooter is a member at Nitroexpress.com and the pistol is a Contender chambered for the 600 NE round. This video was filmed at the Aurora Sportsmen's Club in Illinois and the shooter injured himself quite badly when the pistol hit him in the head and left him bleeding badly. Since then the club has gotten a promise from him that he would not shoot it there.

Cheers!

Years ago I shot a friend's Contender chambered in 35 Remington. I was an idiot and used a light one-handed grip - the pistol flew up and split my upper lip. I was really lucky it didn't knock some teeth out. Now I know that a 35 Rem is nothing by big bore pistol standards, but I can't imagine shooting a 460 Wby or something even larger from a pistol. I don't even like shooting those cartridges from a rifle. Since that Contender incident, I don't shoot anything larger than 45 ACP out of a pistol.

The guy in the video is actually not the gun owner. The big fellow is a range instructor who got a little curious and decided to give it a try. The gun owner, who is much smaller, shot it as well. He also got bopped in the head, but kept a grip on the gun, even though it knocked him about 3 steps back. He stated he was using a "light load". Here is a link with by the gun owner, but as already mentioned, this is a pretty old subject. http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=...psed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

When this vid first came out, i had stated, without a doubt, the gent received contact with the frame under his left eye and the skin was damaged, as well as his glasseed being broken.

even *I* know that if the round weighs as much as the gun to NOT pull the trigger

jeffe

Mucho LOCO?

I've shot a .50BMG pistol built on a Maadi-Griffen action. Big muzzel brake. Major muzzel FLASH! Recoil was really not bad. Actually given all that slow burning powder in a 12 inch barrel,there is no way it's gonna generate any real velocity. When I first fired the 12 GaFH I loaded it with 50BMG powder, velocity was only 1500 fps. Hardly more recoil than a std 12 Ga shotgun shell. In pistols, my limit is the .500 S&W!-Rob

When I shot my 460 weatherby 12" bl, I got 2098ft/ second with 500 grain factory loads. These were older loads and a little hotter than current factory loads. About 4880 ft lbs of energy. A real handful.

Ever heard the expression "A Man has got to know his limitations"???

Apparently some people haven't.

My version of a 500 S&W, 500 Linebaugh Maxium, 3.66 pound Ruger Maximum, running 525 grain bullets at 1500 fps, for 2625 ft lbs of energy.





80 ftlbs of recoil.

S
PS
The rounds are from a session with a Nitro Express 500, and, 525 grain bullets, along with 357 magnum for comparision.

G.S.

Thats a nice looking revolver and I must admit a lot more practical than my 460 weatherby 12" encore!

Fellow who commisioned this monstrocity posts on NitroExpress as Kamikazie (sp?).

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Originally posted by Hokkaido:
He stated he was using a "light load".

I have an idea the firearm was not the only place a light load was used! I think their collective skulls were loaded to about half a full load, as well!

Mac,

Aw, come on Mac, somebody out there always has to push the limit. It keeps things interesting! A lot of people wish they had the stones to try something like that. If no one went to the limit with this stuff, the 44 magnum would still be the most feared and powerful handgun cartridge around. Now the 500 S&W has 2 1/2 times the power and it comes with a 2 3/4 " barrel. Granted not everyone likes to shoot it but it is out there. Who would have thought 20 years ago something like that would be possible ? Just making a point is all.

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Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
Mac,

Aw, come on Mac, somebody out there always has to push the limit. It keeps things interesting! A lot of people wish they had the stones to try something like that. If no one went to the limit with this stuff, the 44 magnum would still be the most feared and powerful handgun cartridge around. Now the 500 S&W has 2 1/2 times the power and it comes with a 2 3/4 " barrel. Granted not everyone likes to shoot it but it is out there. Who would have thought 20 years ago something like that would be possible ? Just making a point is all.

Here's the POINT! It doesn't take STONES to shoot something like a 600NE pistol, it takes an empty skull!

When a 600NE double rifle has to weigh in at around 18 pounds to be shootable, and the 460WBY is almost useless in a 12 pound rifle, I'd say the limit is long before one gets as light as a Contender Pistol with such a chambering! Then to break a finger and cut the tendons in ones trigger finger in two, and want to shoot the thing again, is not pushing the envelope, it is insane! I have a TC Contender with a 16 1/4" braked barrel, chambered for 411JDJ that is about the limit of the design, and for all practical purposes is useless! However, I'll sell it to you if you want a vest pocked back-up for the 600NE!

mac 37
When I broke my wrist and cut up the ligament in my finger, it was because the entire barrel of the 460 encore was ripped off. I absorbed at least twice the recoil that I should have had. I shot it twice after it was repaired with heavier welds, and was not physically hurt. The custom maker siad the gun would hold this cartridge and be safe to shoot. Seeing as how he has made custom handguns for 25 years for people all over, I took him at his word. I guess he over estimated the srength of the factory weld connections. I certainly did not intend to break my wrist and get hurt. But, I will admit it wasn't the absolute smartest thing I have ever done.

Mac 37

I have seen people shoot 13 lb, 600 nitro rifles, and I shoot a 16.8 lb 700 nitro. You don't have to have an 18 lb 600 nitro to be shootable. I will say that it does take practice to shoot bigger guns with lots of recoil and be used to it.

I just don't understand why he didn't build a real handgun. Maybe a 50 BMG.

That's about as stupid as pulling the pin on a hand grenade and just watching it go off in your hand. Of course the pistol is going to go flying and bounce off the head of anybody stupid enough to pull it's trigger. But none the less, Thank you for a good laugh, Mr. Big bore pistol shooter, It takes about one true idiot per milliion to keep us all entertained.
Timan

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Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
Aw, come on

A lot of people wish they had the stones to try something like that.

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But, I will admit it wasn't the absolute smartest thing I have ever done.

most of my bad ideas involve either cars or women... and the worst ones both!!!

The only stones I would have to have to shoot that is in my HEAD. Dumb Idea from the get go, and it hurts the shooter... sorry, it's a freak, and about as useless as an 8 second quarter mile car taking you to work everytday in an office building.

Man, there's few folks that are more willing to take recoil than me... billy calls me his crash test dummy... and Mac aint new to the concept!

but I don't need someone hitting me under the left eye with a sedge hammer to realize it's a bad idea.

I certainly don't need my wrist broken and a ligament cut to figure out it's a bad idea


the ONLY person shooting a 13# 600 nitro (and he's famous) doesn't even TRy to load it to 1850 or 1950...

jeffe

The show "Fear Factor" should have a hand cannon and lightweight bigbore shooting segment.

Let me clarify, I did not shoot the 600 nitro pistol. The 460 weatherby 12" was mine. I realize there is no practical use for a gun like this, but lots of people get things that are not practical. I know that this is repeticious but when the gun stayed together, it DID NOT hurt hurt me. However I did not mean to start an arguement. PEACE to all of you that don't agree with my opinion. I do appreciate everyones thoughts. Thanks for the lively discussion.

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Originally posted by GS:
My version of a 500 S&W, 500 Linebaugh Maxium, 3.66 pound Ruger Maximum, running 525 grain bullets at 1500 fps, for 2625 ft lbs of energy.





80 ftlbs of recoil.

S
PS
The rounds are from a session with a Nitro Express 500, and, 525 grain bullets, along with 357 magnum for comparision.

This looks like a Jack Huntington built revolver ( yes, no).......... Very nice........

There is also the 600 NE revolver built in Austria.

Big D,
peace.. it's all cool!
jeffe

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
The show "Fear Factor" should have a hand cannon and lightweight bigbore shooting segment.

Now I would pay to see that.

I am satisfied with the 45 LC.

tiggertate,

That 600 nitro revolver is HUGE! There is about an 18 month waiting time and they cost right around 18,000 dollars. ...And no, I don,t have one ordered. HA HA HA

I was unaware of the price; WOW! I would have thought 5K max.

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Originally posted by mehulkamdar:
Forrest,

The shooter is a member at Nitroexpress.com and the pistol is a Contender chambered for the 600 NE round. This video was filmed at the Aurora Sportsmen's Club in Illinois and the shooter injured himself quite badly when the pistol hit him in the head and left him bleeding badly. Since then the club has gotten a promise from him that he would not shoot it there.

Cheers!

Not arguing, but I believe that it is built on a Encore frame.

This has been one of my Test Favorites to read about/watch video,my hats off to the shooters!Salute! Heros for sure,they win the most recoil award! Evil knevil of pistols!

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Originally posted by woodsracer:

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Originally posted by mehulkamdar:
Forrest,

The shooter is a member at Nitroexpress.com and the pistol is a Contender chambered for the 600 NE round. This video was filmed at the Aurora Sportsmen's Club in Illinois and the shooter injured himself quite badly when the pistol hit him in the head and left him bleeding badly. Since then the club has gotten a promise from him that he would not shoot it there.

Cheers!

Not arguing, but I believe that it is built on a Encore frame.

You are correct. A Contender would have been blown to pieces with the first shot. The Barrel was built by Van Horn.

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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Originally posted by GS:
My version of a 500 S&W, 500 Linebaugh Maxium, 3.66 pound Ruger Maximum, running 525 grain bullets at 1500 fps, for 2625 ft lbs of energy.





80 ftlbs of recoil.

S
PS
The rounds are from a session with a Nitro Express 500, and, 525 grain bullets, along with 357 magnum for comparision.

This looks like a Jack Huntington built revolver ( yes, no).......... Very nice........

YES!!
My current loads are 525's at 1350 fps. It shoots, not sure if I can.;-)

I'm not sure if I can. ;-)
GS

1350 FPS is plenty and should be very effective. I shoot a 500 Linebaugh with the 525's at 1120 FPS and it just flattens everything.
Check out this 70 1/4" SCI Bison tqaken with the 525 grain load scroll down page

http://buffalobore.com/hunts/Default.htm

me and my sissy 500S&W...I feel so inadequate now...

Can I go home now teacher, my brain is full?

Rich

One question shouldn't he have at least made the 600 Nitro Express in the Encore rifle first and then go to the Contender

positron,

The 600 nitro pistol was an encore. It never was a contender.

No I mean why a pistol why didn't he try it in a rifle configuration first.

I would say the guy was crazy. I know this sounds funny comming from a guy who had a 12" 460 weatherby encore blow up while shooting it. But when my gun stayed together, at least I could hold on to it. This guys gun went sailing over his head, almost through his head, and went flying out of his hands. = C R A Z Y !!!