Come on guys, are there any krieghoff owners out there.how do you like you your rifles in general? the cocking system?
I am one who thinks it is a useful feature, for a hunters rifle, maybe not a pro's rifle, what are your thoughts

JP

not to many kriegoff oweners in here most any one here that shoots double rifles mainly shoot britsh guns or searcy.

im one of the searcy shooters.

and i think the coking mechanisiam is a crappy i want my rifle cocked and locked at all times when in the bush its one less thing to break and go wrong.

some times the germans over engineer stuff.......but we all knew that.

Just saw your post. I have a Krieghoff double in 500/416. I have not hunted with it yet, but am planning on it! It is very accurate at 50 yards with either 380grain FN's (GS Custom) or Hornady and Woodleigh softs. The Woodleigh solids are also accurate. I LOVE the gun, but then, I have owned no other double rifles. I think the cocking device just gets geting used to, so, if you are used to other doubles, then this might be a problem, though not in my case. The gun, is a modern double, well capable of shooting solids, and is priced reasonably. The wood is very nice. I especially like the caliber, as I already have a 416 Rigby! Let me know if you have any questions.
Peter.

JPaul - welcome to the forum.

First you need to know that this is a great place to get info, swap storries and opinions.

To the latter, you should also know that the "opinions" of this forum sometimes outweigh the logic behind them.

It does look like a Searcy-Funded marketing campaign at times, but that's certainly not to say that only Searcy's and English gun talk is welcome here.

Most of the guys here probably don't even own a double rifle.

Good luck and welcome to the forum.

I have a Krieghoff double in 375 H&H. I have found it to be accurate and comfortable to shoot. It is scoped so I can't really comment on the express sights. Regarding the safety, I like it. I prefer to carry the gun uncocked and find that it is easy to recock. Granted it takes more force to cock this rifle than to flick off a safety, but it isn't so heavy as to make it difficult. With a little practice you can adapt to it easily. I used it on my last African hunt and expect to take it on my next.

JPaul
Try to find a Krieghoff with the express sights and see if you like them better when "aiming" through them. They also offer a see through sight. See which one you would like best whild hunting. I shot a friends 500/416 at 40 yards, a soft in the right bbl and a solid in the left, both shots touched. I have 2 British big bore doubles and a Chapuis 9,3x74R. I also shoot Blaser R-93 bolt rifles. I would not have a problem with the cocking device of the Krieghoff Double. It is very safe.

Quote from a professional hunter in Africa who has killed close to 1000 elephant. "If you want to admire a double rifle, buy it in Germany. If you want to hunt with it, buy it in England"

Peter

How do you like the 500/416K cartridge? I hear that it will do it all, scope the double,( not entirely sold on this idea though) pair it with a 30 to 375 caliber bolt gun and you should have an outstanding kit in the opinion of many
I also do not have a problem with the cocking feature, as in my opinion the pluses while hunting with a PH and other staff far out weigh minuses. the remote possibility of facing something alone and needing that extra split second supposedly given by the conventional safety to save ones self, is in my opinion secondary to the safety of the group as a whole. I could be wrong on this though as my level of expierience is that of a neophyte.

best regards
JP

New guy
thanks for the welcome, I agree with your wisdom and logic theory ,I have been a avid reader of the forum for many years and am amused with the "evolution" of certain posters as the situation calls for, not only in rifles but in matters of marketing, but hey that diversification is what makes this place so fun to read and informative.

best to you
JP

Terry
any problems extracting the rimless cases? how does your 375H&H shoot? does it shoot better with the scope or without it ? mount type ?

thanks
JP

NE450No2

I looked at the see though site and thought that one good bash would probably crush it, but I do not know what the frame is made out of , I prefer a solid standing primary sight. On another note how do you like the Blaser R93 system. I have heard of a few nasty incidents in europe?. I must say though that the breakdown feature with multi BBl capability is an attractive idea to pair with a double

all the best
JP

JPaul
I too would worry about the see through rear sight, but I would like to try one out in the field. The sight is steel to the best of my knowledge. That is one thing nice about multiple leaf rear sights, if the standing leaf gets broken you can flip up one of the other leaves.

I like the Blaser R-93 quite a bit. I bought one at the suggestion of a friend because it would fit in a take-down case just like my double. I now have 3 receivers and 8 barrels from 223 to 28 ga. All the bbls shoot very good, and the scope mounts [both the American type and the European QD lever], go on and off with no loss of zero.
I have seen all makes of rifles "blown up", almost always it is a case of an over load, or the wrong ammo, ie 270 Win in a 270 WBY.
I have not had one single problem with my Blasers.

Jpaul. My main motivation was that I wanted a double rifle but did not feel any nostalgia about calibers. Ray Atkinson and others have commented on the great penetration that the 416 bullet seems to get, equal to or greater than the 470, I already owned a 416 Rigby, and the Krieghoff is a modern gun, built with modern steels etc. With these in mind, it was almost a no brainer. I had seen good deals on Merkels in 375H&H and in 416 Rigby, but members on this forum warned me against such rounds in a double rifle (high pressures and rimless rounds). I have not hunted with the Krieghoff, but if I had the opportunity to hunt elephant, I would certainly use it. I would of course use it on Buff. The rifle is heavy, but that's good! And, as I have stated, it is accurate. I have not tried it at ranges greater than 50 yards. Ray Atkinson says that he gets good accuracy from his doubles (not K guns) at 80 yards. I also use cast, gaschecked bullets in my double, with a filler and this makes for a good practice load, unfortunately the load I use does not shoot to the same point of aim as the solids or jacketed softs, but I haven't played with the loads. I have found that the 500/416 cases do stretch, and so I bought a trim die.

You mention scopes. I bought my K used, and it came with mounts and rings, but I haven't tried them yet. Some have commented that the regulation might change. My K seems to shoot very well with just about everything I have tried in the way of loads, including of course, K factory loads. I don't do much load development with bullets costing $1 each!

I do have several targets with different loads showing pairs of holes within 1/2 to 1 inch of each other! That's good enough for me.

Peter.

JP
I've had no problem extracting the rimless cases, but I have not had to do a rapid reload. I primarily shoot it scoped. One of my plans for the spring is to practice more with the iron sights, to date I've only used them on close up shots. I have a claw mount, it is a great set up, but it's expensive and must be professionally installed.

Terry

I shoot a Krieghoff 470 NE, have quite of bit of trouble with the factory sights. What sights are you refering to ? How do they differ? thanks

I have two Krieghoffs with the cocking system, one is a vintage 1920s combination gun, the other a modern double. I have been using for some time, after getting use to it, like it quite well. it is fast and silent, much prefer to having a tang safety.