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I have long entertained the idea of doing a 470 NE on a #1, just seems like a really classy combo. What I had failed to make the connection with is the use of .475" cast pistol bullets for plinking loads. A buddy has been playing with a 475 linebaugh and has a 480 ruger on the way, that and seeing 500's comments on his Capstick put the wheels in motion. Since my 500 Jeffrey hasn't been started yet, I'm partially considering scrapping that project to fund a 470. The big question is, can this be done as a simple re-bore and chamber of a Ruger #1 458 win mag? Or, with the cost of re-bores rising, would a re-barrel make more sense? I do have some #1 458 take off barrels, and ruger did d/t too deep on the 1/4 rib screw holes, so I do have concerns about boring it out, though perhaps thats mute, as its only an increase of less then .010" on the radius. | ||
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Paul, Ross Seyfried did this project 8-10 years ago. He had a 1-H .458 rebored by Cliff LaBounty, modified the extractor to handle the rimmed case, and, if I remember correctly, 'glass bedded the forearm. Obviously, this project is feasible. Seyfried did remark about the recoil being 'stiff'. George | |||
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Remember that "stiff" to Seyfried is literlly horrible to most.... I always rebarrel as opposed to rebore...for one thing I hate a 3 year wait on any project..I don't really trust re-boring and most of them will tell you right up front that the barrel can warp...and thats your baby when it does...no refund, so be aware and check on that... ------------------ | |||
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Paul, there was one for sale in the paper about 2 weeks ago. the guy wanted $995 and I believe it came with a box of ammo. | |||
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Thanks for the replies, I'm now considering an alternative approach. For what I have into the 500 at this point, I could pretty much cover the costs of having the P-14 turned into another 458 lott, but w/ the ruger #1 barrel, so that 1/4 rib, and barrel band swivel and sight are already taken care of. This seems like the most likely avenue if I scrap the 500 Jeffrey idea. | |||
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Paul, As you know I am also playing around with the Ruger No 1 idea. I want a big bore to top off my 375s but not just a "go bang" rifle. Have had that with 2 460s. At the same time my neck is finished from the point of view of shooting up the country side with anything plus on a 375. Here is my take on it so far for whatever it is worth to you. 500 Jeffrey Since cast bullets are important the Jeffrey is not ideal with that super short neck. I think this would be especially the case with paper patch. 500 Nitro Good for cats and paper patch. Also fromthe various dimesnions it appears cases could easily be made from 470 Nitros and if that is the case then it isa big plus. 470 Nitro Is is the same bullet diameter as the pistol caliber. Could it ise the Speer and Hornady jacketed bullets. 450 Nitro This just has to be the easiest way to go with a Ruger. However for a rechambered 458 with nice wood added I would need to have any 458 Win writing removed. can this be filled with weld or similar? Of course the 458 bore diameter adds greatly as compared to the others. But would be stuck with potentially bad brass. 404 Jeffrey If Hornady would bring at least gas checks for this bore, I think this would be my choice. That real long neck would be great for cast or paper patch bullets. As well the 404 is totally practical with full loads. 450 Rigby I am thinking that to buy a CZ 550 in 416 Rigby that this may well be the best way to go. Good brass, 45 caliber for bullets, more power than you can shoot, especially without a brake, a neck that looks like it would be about .52" so good for cast bullets. Also the rifle can be tried first as 416 Rigby and if no waht is wanted can be sold off. I agree with you on the class of the 470. However I think it looses a lot of that class in a Ruger 1. Mike [This message has been edited by Mike375 (edited 06-05-2001).] | |||
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Seyfried is totally immune to recoil!!!! Recall, he started the 585 Nyati projects. For fun, read his 4 bore article in the latest issue of Rifle Magazine. Puts Baker to shame. | |||
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I must disagree with Mike375 about one point. The Ruger #1 was originally designed after the Farquharson falling block. This action design is quit old and many of the photos of Selous show him with such a rifle (more than likely in his favorite caliber the 450 3 1/4"). In a thread a few months back I also discussed this topic. I settled on either the 404 Jeffery or the 450/400. Both can be improved with modern loadings and could benefit from a low powered scope. I am not sure that I would want a stopping rifle in a single loader. But what do I know as my turn with a buffalo or elephant is a long ways away. Good hunting, | |||
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Mike375, If you are going to build a gun, build a real one. May I suggest a Ruger No. 1 rebarreled to 577 Nitro Express. If I recall, SAECO makes a 1200 grain mold. Load that up to about 1600 fps and find out who is a man and who only looks like a man. :-) | |||
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mmm I would realy like a 500 3" in a ruger #1 a friend of mine had a farq. in 500 and I used it a few times on elk. Many custom gun makers (except SSK) feel that the 577s are a little much for the ruger in respect to case thrust. A 577 2 3/4" BP would be an awsome cartridge for cast bullets... 650@1650 just 2 cents | |||
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I just revived this thread from the archives, because my Ruger #1 470 NE is completed, and I just got it back from Bowen today. Everything they did to it looks great, and I must say they do spectacular work. It is well worth the 9 month wait. Now to the shooting range! If anyone has any specific questions about it, I'll try to answer them here. | |||
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Lucky! I want one! Let us know how the recoil is... | ||
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Personally, if I wanted a really neat gun in a Ruger#1, I'd do a 600 overkill. It was over just such a discussion, that I got the idea in the first place. If 900 grs at 2400fps is too much ( I'd add a 10lb bolt on lead weight) consider the 470MBOGO in a number 1 with 475 pistol bullets. Under no circumstances bother with reboring. It's just as expensive, there are known problems with Ruger barrels and it will take 3 years to ever see the barrel.Just order a new one from Pac-Nor-Rob | |||
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I didn't mention above that this barrel WAS rebored to 470 NE from 458. The "problems" with Ruger barrels are the screw holes drilled into the barrel to hold the rib on, but that is not an issue in going from 458 to 470. If you try to go to a 500 NE from 458, the holes in the barel are too deep. All of Bowen's reboring work is done by Labounty. The finished barrel is equal to a match grade barrel at a fraction of the price. The barrel was rebored and sent back to Bowen within 7 months, not the rumored 2 or 3 years. I think the NE cartridges are the best way to go in a #1. | |||
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Excellent idea 470 NE on a #1. I am having a 577 3" built on a #1! Alrewady have the brass,dies and bullets ! Just killing me having to wait for it! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by diesel_dude: [QB] "Just killing me having to wait for it!" diesel, The wait may be killing you but I suspect you'll be D.O.A.. That thing will be brutal! What do do expect it will weigh in at? | |||
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I know from personal experience that a No 1 in 458 Lott is a real handful. Recoil is intense, to say the least. | |||
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quote:DD, please film your first full house round out of this!!! JEESUS, if that's under 11# it's going to look like the hand of god!!! Nick is right.. DOA... BTW, if you are using Rl15, I've had hang fires for loads under 105 grains with 750 gr pills.. and a 577 hangfire is like waiting for the rapture... you KNOW you gotta die, but when.. use poly or fiber filler. Jeffe | |||
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The finished rifle is going to weigh 12#. It is going to have an intergal break,24" pac-nor bbl.Mecury supressor in the stock. I will definaltey take video I can only find two "volunteers" to help fike the sights when it comes time! | |||
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I would not bother with Mercury recoil reducers. I'd hollow out the butt and fill it with lead. It's going to be pretty difficult to get a Number1 to weigh 12-13 lbs without adding lots of lead. Despite the recoil, most people have given up on the Ruger#1's due to the stocks splitting. Folks have had both the forearm and butt develop cracks and while a 470 NE is possible ,I'd think a 577 is gonna be a shot once, droppped once, immediately sold gun. Cliff Labounty's turn around time may once of been 7 months, it's more than a year now.-Rob | |||
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Diesel: I also had a mercury tube installed in the stock of my 470. The mercury tube does much more for recoil reduction than just adding the same amount of weight. With my scope on (Swarovski 1.25x4) the gun weighs 11# 6 oz. | |||
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Diesel, Guess you'll be O.K. at 12lbs or at least I hope so. I've got to agree with Rob as to the difficulty in achieving that weight on a #1 action. Ken Cline, Any idea as to your reducers manufacturer? We don't get much information on them, in the way of design variation or brand names. | |||
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Nickudu, I don't know for sure what brand reducer that Bowen installed in this one. The only ones I have used before are made by C&H research. They make several different sizes/diameters. | |||
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Robgunbuilder, shot once dropped once? Don't think so. I will send you videos if you like. As far as the stock splitting,if that happens I will have another stock made ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} The gunsmith would not have taken on this project if he did not think it was feasable. Who says you have to shoot full house loads in it? How about your 600 OK on the #1? do you think the #1 will stand up to that beast? shot once dropped once!!?? | |||
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MPI does make fiberglass stocks for the #1 as well, and they will make them heavy if requested. This is the last resort, in my opinion, because the #1 is one rifle that does not look good in black. | |||
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i have a 450 ne 3`1`4 build on a nr 1 and its great, it has a fajen custom stock and it launches 480 grs bullets at nearly 2300 fps but i saw an an ad for a riflemaker who loaded one faster , with a 500 grain bullet at 2500 fps, that is nearly .460 wby. it is simple , its an 458 win mag rechambered and the ekstactor/ is altered to suit the rimmed case. he i bought it from had thouth about a 470 originnally, but he wanted reasonable prices bullets ,where he could get many of. | |||
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If you want to see really nice big bore Ruger #1's go to reedercustomguns.com and check it out. I have seen the ones in 470 nitro and they are nice. You can get it in whatever bbl. length you want and any caliber up to the 500 Jeffrey. Gary has made them bigger in the past but who needs that abuse. Check out his Beast version for the ultimate quick action, thick bush gun in a large bore. I am going to order one as soon as I make up my mind on either the 470 Nitro or a 500 Jeffrey. Woody | |||
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I have a Ruger #2 (#3 with #1 style wood) in 45-120 (3.25" 45 Basic) that gets roughly the same numbers. A 500gr at over 2400fps does get your attention in a hurry. Recoil seems a bit more than my old .500 3" double Krieghoff. I am counting the days until my pair of Spartans arrive from Remington and I can put this reamer back to work. Rich | |||
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