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CZ550, Winchester Safari express, or Ruger alaskan 375 Ruger? Want for an all around hunt anything from deer, elk, to africa. Already have a number 1 in 375 H&H, but want a bolt gun too. What do ya'll think? | ||
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I would prefer/recomend the Win.M70 in .375H&H. Just my humble opinion. Nemo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. -- John 3:36 http://www.accurateinnovations.com - http://aigunstocks.com/home-2/ NRA Life Member DSC SCI DRSS - STILL waiting on MY "Taksdale" .450NE or a refund...  "Young knight, learn to love God and revere women, so that your honour grows. Practice knighthood and learn the Art that dignifies you, and brings you honour in wars." (Johannes Liechtenauer, 14th century) | |||
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I too am very fond of my Win M70 Classic 375 H&H. Mine is the synthetic stainless but I am about to stock it in wood. Functions flawlessly, and is super accurate. Another humble opinion. I've handled the CZ's and they seem big and bulky Ruger Safari's too. Although handle them all and see what fits and feels right to you all the weapons you named are great. | |||
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i held a 550 once and it felt kinda like a 2x4. Havn't been able to get my hands on a safari express yet to see how it feels. I'd like to get a safari express, cut it to 20 or 22" put the sight back on and a synthetic stock. Should be basically and alaskan. just kinda wondering ya'lls ideas. I have asked on several sites and haven't been told to get a CZ yet! | |||
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The CZ is not really a 375 sort of gun. It is made to handle bigger cartridges. If you get a CZ, then get a 416 Rigby, a 458 Lott, or rebarrel a 416 Rigby into a 500 Mbogo or 450 Rigby for Africa. I've owned three 416 Rigby CZs. Now with the 350 TTSX bullet, they can truly be said to be a one-rifle battery, if you consider 2800 fps with a .444 BC bullet to be flat enough. It is for me for any hunting that I consider reasonable. The 416 is also light enough so that you can get friendly with it. Joe Alessandro commented that it was the largest calibre that he could honestly say that he enjoyed shooting without lying through his teeth. On the other hand, if I were required to get a .375 I would look real hard at the .375 Ruger Alaskan. The Winchesters are great guns and you pay a little more, but if you are looking for beat-um-up functionality at a good price, the Ruger is quite a gun, and the stainless construction means better resistence in rough weather. And controlled-feed action. Plus, you can shoot a 250 gran TTSX with a .424 BC at 2900 fps in a short barrel: not as versitile as the 416 Rigby, but a practical bullet for everything in North America. If I were choosing a good medium hunting calibre, I might choose it over the 338 Win Mag, my alltime favorite. They didn't have this option thirty years ago. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Agree that for .375 H&H I would go for the Winchester. The CZ 550 is a bit heavy and the Ruger feels a bit too light. The M70 is just right. The CZ 550 comes into its own with larger cartridges. | |||
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RUGER HAWKEYE ALASKAN wins hands down in my opinion. I have handled them all (CZ, Winch and Ruger) - the Ruger 375 Alaskan is a great rifle. To say that I am impressed would be an understatement.. - flawless function, sub moa accuracy, light/short, stainless steel... Well - no doubt in my mind - I would go for the little Ruger.. Have to mention that I have got 2900 fps from its 20" barrel with GS Custom 265 grs HV bullets.. Serious power for most game.. | |||
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Tom: In a .375, I would go with a Ruger but how about a Ruger in 9.2X62 instead? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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New Model 70. I have several, all are accurate and dependable. | |||
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I have given some serious thought to acquiring a Ruger as others have, but there are so many negative comments out there(about moderate to poor accuracy) that I am concrned with the Ruger built rifle. I already have a Winchester in 375 H&H, and if I decide to get a rifle chambered in Ruger 375, I will likely have one built on some other action such as Colt-Sauer, Mauser, or even a Winchester. The stock I would choose would be a synthetic. Bob Nisbet DRSS & 348 Lever Winchester Lover Temporarily Displaced Texan If there's no food on your plate when dinner is done, you didn't get enough to eat. | |||
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Perhaps we live in a different world: When Josef and Franticek Koucky designed the ZKK series of rifles and they were Introduced in 1966/67 the model 602 was designed specifically for the 375 and 458 Win no bigger, it was never offered in anything bigger by CZ, at the end of the ZKK series production there was some spculation as to whether it was actually done on a 416 platform, some references note this but whether out of factory ZKK's in 416 caliber actually saw the light is speculation. The ZKK was superceded by the CZ550 designed by Strouhal, Pitner and Mucha of CZ, this used the Koucky's original bolt and action but the hardware on the bottom metal, trigger and bolt shroud was changed. Again the basically a 375 and 458 and some lesser calibers also now adding the 416 Rigby. The" big" calibers are an American CZ thing, basically a semi custom offering series not found in the original factory form. But now as to whether the BRNO or CZ is a 375 "type gun" ? Well it boils down to taste I guess, but judging form the vast number of BRNO 375's that were used and sold in Africa over many years at a time when most Americans did not even know of the existance of such rifles ( because of US trade embargoes with Warsaw pact countries ) I say the CZ qualifies as a 375 type gun. They were sold in huge numbers to game departments and are still in use today and one thing is sure it does not get you half as beat up as most Euro and some American factory offerings when shooting it. | |||
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ALF, I believe that what is being suggested is that the CZ 550 Magnum is an over-sized action for .375 or shorter length cartridges. That is certainly true, since the CZ action will easily swallow up .416 Rigby, .460 Weatherby and even larger-sized cartridges, and that is not true of the Winchester Model 70. As a result, the Model 70 makes up into a more compact .375. The CZ does offer a five (or even six, in some cases) round magazine capacity in .375, which some folks like. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Micheal: it is true, it is a big gun and that 25 inch barrel makes it longer than most, but as i say it does not beat you up ! I have shot them all , at some time or another, factory guns, customs, Old ones, new ones. I personally owned some or my buddies who came hunting with us down in my Africa hunted with 375's ( and trust me when you own big fiive property in africa there are always "buddies" willing to hunt ) | |||
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Alf: You are indeed correct about the .375 CZ. However, I think I agree with Michael. Both the CZ .375 as well as the Ruger Safari Magnum in that caliber are just too heavy and cumbersome. There is just no need for such a big heavy gun in .375 H&H. The H&H is indeed a great cartridge but the lighter, handier Ruger just makes more sense and the 9.3X62 is even better yet. Just my two cents. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I love my 9.3's dearly but we got to get one thing straight the 9.2 x 62 aint no 375 ! | |||
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A lot of really knowledgeable, unbiased people believe that the new FN iteration of the WIN70 is the best one ever, period, world without end, Amen. I do not fall into the "really knowledgeable" universe, but I concur anyway. A choice that cannot reasonably be faulted. | |||
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Mauser93 there is no arguing with that statement! | |||
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If you're looking for a 375, then the ruger alaskan gets my vote. I presently own both the 375 and 416 rugers. I have shot my 375 and it is extremely accurate. Lots of power out of a fast handling package. I love the stock as it fits me well. Good luck on whatever you choose. | |||
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I've owned 3 ZKK 375s, still have one, and one in 458 Lott. Built like a bank vault. I love Brnos more than any other bolt rifles, except for FN and Oberndorf sporters and their offshoots, but I prefer 375s built on standard length actions, much easier to handle. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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I just bought a Ruger 375 African three weeks ago. Nice and light. Put a Leupold V III 1.75-6 scope on it. Accurate as hell. I was breaking the barrel in on a windy (10-15 mph) day two weeks ago, cleaning between shots etc. The first three 5-shot groups were 1.03 MOA, 1.2 MOA, and 0.8 MOA. These were with loads I just threw together for barrel break in. If the weather is nice this weekend I hope to get to the range and see what it will do with loads where I weighed/segregated the brass, weighed each charge, weighed the bullets to .1 grain and used an OAL gage to seat just off the lands. This is my third Ruger. Other two are in 25-06 and 30-06 in Mod 77 Mk II. They are also accurate out of the box and normally shoot 1.1 to 1.2 MOA with 10-shot groups. The newer Rugers are just fine and the Hawkeye is better than the Mk II with a noticable trigger improvement. Just my 2 cents worth. Barstooler | |||
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HAD the CZ .375 H&H. HAVE the new FN Winchester Model 70 .375 H&H. World of difference in feel, balance and workmanship, and a nearly perfect trigger. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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I have to admit that I do find them intriguing. I suspect that it could be close to the perfect working rifle. I handled the African version, and it did feel a bit light, but that has its advantages as well. | |||
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I could not have said this better. I have a CZ 550 Magnum .375 H&H, and I love it. I have managed to become used to the bulkiness, and shoot it fairly well. When a friend recently asked me for advice on which .375 H&H to buy, based on my experience and looking at all options on the market here in South Africa (CZ 550 , M70 & RSM), I could in good conscience only advise him to buy the Winchester. If I were to buy again, I would go for the Winchester. But, the difference is not big enough to warrant me selling my CZ to buy a Winchester. I thought the RSM was really nice, but over-priced, being by far the more expensive of the three options. I really liked the .375 Ruger Hawkeye, but we South Africans are very suspicious of anything developed post-1912. | |||
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I went with the new M70 and am very happy. Good fit and finish, good balance, good trigger, and it fits me well. Feeding is smooth and totally reliable. I can keep my shots within 2-3 inches at 50 yards from offhand with the irons, but have ordered a 1.5-8x36 Minox with #4 reticle to round out the package. I think Winchester has gotten it right with this rifle and the rest of the M70 lineup. Maybe next year I'll get one in 458 Win and have it rechambered for 458 Lott. I'm getting an itch for something bigger than a 375, just for fun!!! It's not the caliber of the rifle that matters - It's the caliber of the man behind it. | |||
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winchester M70 especially if you are planning on hunting anwhere in Africa. Have yet to see any Ruger .375 or .416 ammo anywhere...even in the more remote spots you can pick up a box of .375H&H, even if they are just the left overs from the previous client. | |||
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Alaskan all the way! Just about the best all purpose/affordable/accurate/rock solid gun out there. "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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My question is more about what you like to look at. The Ruger Alaska may be the best value, most practical but I see it as Just Plain UGLY!!! I'd opt for the Kimber Talkeeta before I'd by the ruger in stainless. I love Ruger RSM's and own 4 + 1 Ruger Express rifle. I agree an RSM in 375 H&H is too heavy hence I went with a Kimber BGR 89 in 375 H&H. If you want or need to beat the crap out of your rifle then go practical. I Elk hunt in wilderness area's and my wood stock rifle do just fine. I still am having trouble taking my Searcy DR out hunting into the wilderness but might just do it. If I had a $1000 and needed a 375 H&H I'd go with the winchester but if I really wanted a nice 375 H&H I might save up and get something really nice (Kimber, Dakota....) 375 H&H's are just so darn fun I might want to get exactly what I wanted rather than settle for a price point. Brad  | |||
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Nicely put. No holes in that response. | |||
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Any reason for not put Sako on the list? | |||
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They will all go bang, maybe the best option is to just go shopping and see which one speaks to you. Handle them all, compare price,features and finishes then let us know which one you bought. "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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Best advice so far | |||
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