OK Guys

What do you think a bolt actioned .416 should weigh all up with scope and mounts and 4 in the mag? Interested to hear your ideas?

Cheers.

GG

My preference: 10 pounds.

My Brevex weighs 10 lbs, w/o scope or ammo. I wouldn't want it any lighter.

I agree 10 lbs as a min.

10 lbs empty with iron sights. With a good pad, it's very pleasent to shoot in the field in any position. In fact, it's more pleasent than a steel-butted .318, at the range.

I feel that 10 pounds is a good weight for a .416. Thats what mine weigh's with scope and 4 rounds in the mag.

I agree. My Ruger complete is over the 10 lb. mark. Lawdog

I agree with the fellas. Mine is a shade over 10 pounds, which is a good balance of carrying and shooting.

My 416 Rem Mag is a touch under ten pounds, and my Rigby is a touch over. They are both sources of joy in my life.
JCN

Good one and thanks for the replies - my latest creation weighs in at about 10.5 pounds scoped and with an empty mag - I thought perhaps I had created a monster but it seems to be in the ball park!

I'll take some pix and post them soon as it has some nice custom features I think you guys will appreciate.

Cheers

GG

My M70 in .404 is right @ 10.3# scoped & loaded, ready to go. I could see dropping a bit of weight if you wanted to, unscoped it weighs 9.3#, but I'm comfortable around 10#.

For some reason there are folks that hate me for this, for some reason, but I love my .416 Rem. at 7.7 lbs. empty and no scope. Bring it on!

Will,

I am puzzled that you found an 11 lb. 470 Nitro and a 10 pound 458 lott to have excessive recoil, but the 7.5 pound .416 does not. Can you compare the relative recoil of these calibers and weights?

Somehow I knew you would take the bait!



The .470 NE ~ 5100 ft-lb(f), 10 lbs., large stock drop.

The .458 Lott ~ 5800 ft-lb(f), 9.3 lbs., straight stock.



The .416 ~ 5100 ft-lb(f), 7.7 lbs., straight stock.



For ME, straight stocks make a world of difference in felt recoil. The .470 NE was just abusive, as was the increased muzzle energy of the Lott.



Just on a recoil/muzzle energy basis the .416 should weigh, compared to the Lott:



(5100/5800)(9.3) = 8.2 lbs.



Yeah, it kicks at 7.7 lbs. but for some mysterious reason it is not as bad as the Lott, to ME, though it should be worse. I do not know why. Of course, the recoil of any of the three is irrelevant when hunting.



I also trick myself when I go to the range. I load two full power loads (5100 ft-lb(f)) and put three reduced loads (4300 ft-lb(f), like the .375 H&H) on top to shoot first. So shooting off-hand, by the time I get to the big stuff, it is no big deal.



The most enjoyable rifle I ever hunted with was a 7 lb. .375 H&H, which I sold. I'm getting closer!

I'm with Will, you carry a rifle more than you shoot it. I'll bet a 7# 416 would be a terror on scopes and mounts though.

Well, I don't know whether to congradulate you on your overdeveloped set of cojones or to extend condolences on what must be an atrophied central nervous system. Still, I don't find the 10 lb gun hard to hump up and down hills, even at my advancing age, and I sure don't like to get slapped around at the range so horses for courses, I believe the saying goes. Perhaps you like lithesome nymphs while I prefer the juicier earthmother types?

Will,

With regards the .458 and the .416, do they both have the same sort of recoil pad? What about the "footprint" of the recoil pad? Is one larger than the other?

Regards,

Pete

Will,



10 lb. 470 NE = 69 ft. lbs. recoil + 21 fps recoil velocity.



9.3 lb. 458 Lott = 79 ft. lbs. recoil + 23 fps recoil velocity.



7.7 lb. 416 Rem. = 69 ft. lbs. recoil + 23 fps recoil velocity.



So if the 416 feels like it kicks less than the 470, the difference must be stock design.

I am new to the 416, I recently purchased a M70, I installed a synthetic stock on the rifle so nicking of the beautiful wood stock would not be an issue. The synthetic is a Winchester product one which I felt was to light so I removed the styrofoam from the rear of the stock and fiberglassed it in along with the hollowed out area of the forestock. The gun now weights in at about 9 3/8 pounds, with scope and hardware less ammo it comes in at about 10 1/2 which is 3/4 pounds heavier than my 458WM, the recoil is about the same and also very close to my sub 9 pound 375 Browning. I feel the difference in carrying the 416 over the 375 but the extra weight actually tames it quite abit.

A 10# Rigby with 100g of powder should be about the same as a 9.3# Remington with 90g of powder, both pushing 400g at 2400. That's significant to many.

That is an interesting point. I can (and do) shoot my 416 Rem Mag a lot. It is relatively mellow (Sako in McMillan stock). My Rigby (CZ in McMillan stock) gets to me sooner, and while not bothersome is noticeably different. I didn't think 22 grains of powder would make a difference, but for me it does. Hmmm.
JCN

GG
Hows that double going? Do you have it yet?

Bakes

Searcy reckons about a month!

GG

Bwana-be,

I'm not much on Latin grammar, but I think you left an "i" off the end of "proscripti."

The meaning is still clear, and as timeless as the ancient language hints.

Recono

911 is a long-distance number; if you need help, use 1911.

I prefer the 416 Rem to weigh about 9.5 lbs. complete with scope and loaded...9 lbs. with irons.

I looked at the figures again, and a 416 Rigby weighing 10# with 106g of powder (right?) kicks as much as the Rem and 87g at "8.3#"!!!
If I have the charges wrong, then ignore, otherwise, it is amazing to see the difference in recoil with the higher-pressure round.

Ooooo getting close

Alan Vicent, one of the finest young PHs I have ever known shoots 6-3/4 lb. 458 Ackley Improved and loves it...He can shoot it very well indeed, recently killed a charging Lion with that little package of dynamite...

Guess recoil is a personal thing...

As I have always said, you have to carry them a lot more than you shoot them. But I assume this is especially true with PH's, as I would guess that a box of his 458's last years!

Hey, if a kid is using a 6 3/4 lb. 458, I figure my old man 7.7 lb. 416 is overweight.