I just got a Ruger Alaskan in 416, dam thing, load the mag with three rounds rake the bolt back hard from unloaded chamber & first round jumps out of the mag ever time !
Second round feeds in, third round misses chamber high ever time !

Any body have thoughts on this ?

I actually got this to rebarrel to 458Win as a work/hunting rifle & when I load 458 rounds it does not do this, but the last round misses chamber high to .

Well, I'll check out my 500 AR Nyati next month, built on a Ruger Hawkeye.

There are some gunsmiths on the forum who should be able to offer suggestions.

If its a new rifle - I would send it back to Ruger straight...

Well - saw U are from NZ down under... well thats another story then .. - sending it back might take a looong time.. Then my second suggestion is to send it to a competent gunsmith asap...

Find a Smith who has the right experience.

Well it is sort of new, fired 15 rounds & I bought it off the first owner, we don't have a lot of experienced Mauser action (Ruger is close) feeding guys down here, a bit hit & miss on a good job !

Do you think I should post on the Gunsmithing Forum ?

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Originally posted by Sarg:
I just got a Ruger Alaskan in 416, dam thing, load the mag with three rounds rake the bolt back hard from unloaded chamber & first round jumps out of the mag ever time !
Second round feeds in, third round misses chamber high ever time !

Any body have thoughts on this ?

I actually got this to rebarrel to 458Win as a work/hunting rifle & when I load 458 rounds it does not do this, but the last round misses chamber high to .

My only quick advice would be to check your magazine follower. If it's not wide enough bad things happen since the cartridges won't sit down in it. I'd call Ruger, talk to them and have them send you a replacement magazine follower and spring. If that's the issue it will be a 10 minute do it yourself fix. If not, back to square one ...

Boy I seem to read 'a lot' recently regarding issues with the follower and/or spring in new Ruger DG rifles...

Makes one wonder if a bad batch of springs have made their way through the manufacturing process along with perhaps the wrong follower being installed?...

Or...are we just starting to see that rare occurrence - at least in today's world of ISO quality control - of the random installation of 'the very few out of spec' parts raising their ugly head?...

Or are we seeing ‘bean counter’ decisions raising their ugly heads…

I seem to recollect a bad batch of CRF extractors making their way out of the factory on new M70s. Also seem to recollect the quick/easy fix was to install a new aftermarket extractor...

I'm not sure this is leading to an aftermarket opportunity or if the solution is just a 'phone call away' to Ruger customer service. Guess it'll depend upon whether its the 'rare ISO issue' or the 'bean counter decision' that's behind the problem...

Not to be a kill-joy- but thats why I don't do Rugers, they have great design ideas but every one I ever bought was rough and need lots of work to work.

For some balance and sanity, you might read the review on the 338 Hawkeye African currently on 'medium bores': http://forums.accuratereloadin...3221043/m/7621003991 "Testing the new Ruger Hawkeye Africa in 338 WinMag." It sounds like a fantastic rifle right out of the box.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:
Not to be a kill-joy- but thats why I don't do Rugers, they have great design ideas but every one I ever bought was rough and need lots of work to work reliably for DG hunting.

Sean you're describing many if not most modern commercial rifles even including some rather expensive ones. I also fixed your statement for you.

Heck just remember Michael's horror stories about his 470 Capstick chambered M70s from Winchester's Custom Shop. Fortunately FNH with their SC manufacturing facility is returning quality to the M70 but no Custom Shop guns so Custom Gunsmiths have more work to accomplish.

Anyway, I fall into the camp that doesn't mind spending $200-$600 with a knowledgeable gunsmith to make sure my rifle functions at 100% under all conditions 'cause unless I damage the rifle it'll be a 'one-time' expenditure.

Compare that low few-hundred dollar single one-time expenditure to the four-figure hunt for out-of-state elk and deer hunter or to a single African Plains game or DG hunt which easily run in the five-figures for a single hunt.

The problem isn't Ruger per se, nor CZs, Winchesters, etc., it's the idea that you're likely to get any DGR that's 100% hitch-free out-of-the-box (or "off-the-shelf") from today's gun-factory 'smiths. Not so, won't happen, or at least extremely unlikely. The reason?

Well, the generation of old-school gunsmiths who worked in the factories at Ruger, Winchester, Browning, CZ/BRNO, et. al, and who knew how to build and hone actions on DGRs that would run smooth as silk, are all long since retired or, more probably, dead. And whatever knowledge and institutional experience they had with building reliable DGRs didn't get passed on - much or very well - to the newer breed of highly unionized factory rats working there now - younger people, generally, who are more interested in their 401Ks and social-media devices than turning out DGRs that can be expected to work, from the box, against the kind of animals that can kill you.

For that kind of old-school DGR craftsmanship today, you're virtually committed to a more expensive custom build - paying for it either up-front or after the fact, in the way of an upgrade.

For example of the latter, back in the early '90s I came into a NIB BRNO 602 in .375H&H. While it fed reliably, there were eventually other issues with it, so I ended up sending it off to Lon Paul @ Tanglewood Custom for what he called, in those days, his "BRNO conversion." Basically for a pretty standard fee, he got rid of all the rough edges, corrected any feeding issues, smoothed out the trigger, added a 3-position safety, and re-profiled the BRNO's "hog-back" factory stock (along w/ a Pachmyr decelerator pad) such that you could live with it on recoil. Lon's conversion improved the rifle immensely - both functionally and estheically.

For an example of the former, a custom build from the git-go, here's my AHR 550 DGR, a .404 Jeffery.



Understand that this rifle is not a "converted" or improved CZ .404J.
Wayne at AHR starts with a CZ 550 Safari Magnum action, which is re-worked, honed and polished for 100% reliablity. Everything after that - the barrel, bolt handle, safety, sights, stock, etc. - is custom. Not in the same price-ballpark as a box-stock CZ .404J, but this one runs with NO issues.

Nice rifle, I dont think you would like to see it after 10 years guiding work !

The rifle I use now is a old Ruger M77 push feed in 458Win, always been great !

We had a bunch of custom Mauser's in 458Win with light composite stocks, only some of them worked most of the time, most didnt !

Come to think of it I've only had trouble with Mauser type rifles - Brno - Winchester - MKX !

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Nice rifle, I don't think you would like to see it after 10 years guiding work!

Thanks, but don't sell yourself short.

All that guiding and hunting, and the resulting bruises on the rifle, and the memories the bruises bring on everytime you run your hand over them, would only make it more beautiful.

Mainly it's the memories of the whole thing from just looking at a well-worn rifle, ... where your were, who you were with, and what you shot with it.

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We had a bunch of custom Mauser's in 458Win with light composite stocks, only some of them worked most of the time, most didnt ! Come to think of it I've only had trouble with Mauser type rifles - Brno - Winchester - MKX !

All rifles sold to a certain price point - which was basically the thrust of my comments. Take anyone of them, spend the requisite $$ to a qualified gunsmith, and the 458s should cycle through the action like s..t through a goose...

Nick , you have it nailed down. A friend had a problem with a Kimber and he called and asked to speak to someone who was a hunter and would understand.They said "we're not hunters , we're gun makers " ! Bean counters just add to the problem .
BTW a certain person comes on this forum only to complain about the "horrible" Rem 700 trigger .It was finally replaced .Now it's been recalled !!

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Originally posted by capoward:

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:
Not to be a kill-joy- but thats why I don't do Rugers, they have great design ideas but every one I ever bought was rough and need lots of work to work reliably for DG hunting.

Sean you're describing many if not most modern commercial rifles even including some rather expensive ones. I also fixed your statement for you.

Heck just remember Michael's horror stories about his 470 Capstick chambered M70s from Winchester's Custom Shop. Fortunately FNH with their SC manufacturing facility is returning quality to the M70 but no Custom Shop guns so Custom Gunsmiths have more work to accomplish.

Anyway, I fall into the camp that doesn't mind spending $200-$600 with a knowledgeable gunsmith to make sure my rifle functions at 100% under all conditions 'cause unless I damage the rifle it'll be a 'one-time' expenditure.

Compare that low few-hundred dollar single one-time expenditure to the four-figure hunt for out-of-state elk and deer hunter or to a single African Plains game or DG hunt which easily run in the five-figures for a single hunt.

NO Jim

I am speaking of all Rugers, I bet I have gone through 20 Ruger pistols, a couple of 10/22 and at least 6 No 1s

Ruger has good ideas and piss poor execution--IMHO

Yeah we tweak and caress our DRG's but a Super BlackHawk that needs both a different height front sight and the barrel turn 10 degrees is just stupid-

The bedding on M77s is a joke-and broke two stocks---

-so I gave up on Rugers and haven't a bit of regret.

OH all most forgot the 77/22 with the 12 lb trigger

10-4 Sean - I totally understand.

Me, I'm a Mauser guy as a 1st preference even with the slower lock time...

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Originally posted by Nick Adams:

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Nice rifle, I don't think you would like to see it after 10 years guiding work!

Thanks, but don't sell yourself short.

All that guiding and hunting, and the resulting bruises on the rifle, and the memories the bruises bring on everytime you run your hand over them, would only make it more beautiful.

Mainly it's the memories of the whole thing from just looking at a well-worn rifle, ... where your were, who you were with, and what you shot with it.

Thats true Nick, as I was thinking I need to move my Old Blue Wood M77 on, but it is so slick & shoots so well & I've shot all manner of stuff with it, some under very trying conditions !

But at the time I'm working it would be nice to just throw the rifle in the back of the truck or on the bunk, all covered in mud & blood as I've got a lot of Shit to do !

mine did the same, got the feed rails smoothed out, and feed ramp, and took the burrs off the sides of the mag box, fixed the problem. the follower and spring, i swapped with my 375 alaskan, made no diff, until i had the rails done in the 416r. to say i was pissed off, well yes, ended up selling it

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Thats true Nick, as I was thinking I need to move my Old Blue Wood M77 on, but it is so slick & shoots so well & I've shot all manner of stuff with it, some under very trying conditions !

But at the time I'm working it would be nice to just throw the rifle in the back of the truck or on the bunk, all covered in mud & blood as I've got a lot of shit to do!

Sarg, I understand. But if your old 458 Ruger M77 is still functioning smoothly and shooting accurately, I'd hang on to it. I'd consider putting any available cash into having it re-stocked by a competent 'smith, as well as re-blued ( a face-lift, so to speak), rather than spending a greater sum of money on a new Magnum rifle which will have a high probability of being "iffy" in several ways straight out-of-the-box. Then, as you know, the only fix for those *new* problems is by throwing more cash at a 'smith or selling the new rifle at a loss.

Its not just Ruger, its every make and model of gun in existence..I have seen all makes of rifles that had to be returned to the factory and I would bet my ass and half or Georgia that there is not a custom gun smith out there that hasn't had a gun returned to be fixed, and if any one of them claim otherwise I would beat it out of their before you get screwed..

Stuff made my man, machines, cloning, and not Godly will from time to time be non functional for a varity of reasons.

rails are touchy and if a CNC goes bonkers or the inspector was hired for political reasons you get problem guns.

I think you would be well advised to let Ruger correct the problem..

However I have seen a case wherein the fellow had the same problem as you and it was cured by not cleaning his brass as the slick brass flew out and dirty brass did not..Its a long shot but worth a try...

Ray that might work, but when it's a 416 caliber, I'm assuming it's going to be used for something that can bite, claw or gore you. In that case I'd want to be 100% sure it would feed, fire and extract in almost any condition.

My CZ in 500 Jeffery would only fail to feed once in maybe 50 times with dummy rounds. I sent it to three gunsmiths, counting back to CZ, once to Wayne at AHR and finally to Kevin Weaver here in Colorado Springs. Each gunsmith made it better. By the time Kevin was done with it did function flawlessly. I probably spent a couple of hundred dollars in gunsmith charges (CZ didn't charge a dime, since they had built it) and shipping, but it was well worth it. My thanks to Harlan, Wayne and Kevin.

I agree with Ray in that these problems are just as likely to happen with the high dollar customs as well as those we find on the bargain racks.

I've had two custom rifles that weren't cheap at all that would allow loaded rounds to " jump the rails" just as described here. The first thing I now do when I buy a new rifle now is load the magazine, close the bolt on an empty chamber, and then open the bolt at varying speeds to see if this problem arises. I've seen more than one rifle that would feed an entire magazine full of cartridges reliably if you simply load it and chambered the first round, but would "auto- eject" one or more rounds if the bolt was closed on an empty chamber and then worked smartly!

I would definitely try a new spring and follower and see if that corrects the problem. If not, someone is going to have to work on the rails and probably undercut them to create more room for those fat cartridges to fit in there. This is something I would definitely let Ruger deal with if you're under warranty. I've dealt with several well respected gunsmiths trying to get this problem corrected on my own rifles and have learned the hard way that it is not always an easy fix. Hopefully you will get it sorted out without too much fuss!

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I've had two custom rifles that weren't cheap at all that would allow loaded rounds to " jump the rails" just as described here. The first thing I now do when I buy a new rifle now is load the magazine, close the bolt on an empty chamber, and then open the bolt at varying speeds to see if this problem arises. I've seen more than one rifle that would feed an entire magazine full of cartridges reliably if you simply load it and chambered the first round, but would "auto- eject" one or more rounds if the bolt was closed on an empty chamber and then worked smartly!

Did that test on my AHR .404J when I first received it (before shooting it), and then again just the other day at the range after shooting it. Fed without a hitch. Have also done this drill with my .375H&H BRNO 602 and it passed as well ...

Again, the point is you're playing the percentages in terms of reliable function when choosing between an off-the-shelf factory DGR and one that's either a full-custom, in the case of my .404J, or a partial custom done after purchase, as was the case with my BRNO 602 that Lon Paul re-worked back in the '90s.

The probabilities are simply higher that a factory DGR will have issues right from the box, whereas they're significantly less so with a custom/semi-custom DGR, although I don't doubt that occasionally the custom-smiths have had to "revisit" their work on a particular rifle.

Getting back to the OP's issue, I simply think his time & money is better spent having a face-lift done on his beat-up but fully reliable 458 Ruger PF, rather investing money in a new DGR with problems.

Again, the point is you're playing the percentages in terms of reliable function when choosing between an off-the-shelf factory DGR and one that's either a full-custom, in the case of my .404J, or a partial custom done after purchase, as was the case with my BRNO 602 that Lon Paul re-worked back in the '90s.

The probabilities are simply higher that a factory DGR will have issues right from the box, whereas they're significantly less so with a custom/semi-custom DGR, although I don't doubt that occasionally the custom-smiths have had to "revisit" their work on a particular rifle.


Not trying to argue that point at all, as I have had my fair share of factory rifles that had various glitches as well. My point is that no one should ever assume that any amount of money spent is a 100% guarantee that the rifle will work properly right out of the box. Any rifle, especially one that your life might depend on someday, deserves a very thorough inspection prior to seeing the game fields.

Look at the price of a Ruger and compare it to the price of a custom made rifle...see any difference?

Now look at the time spent on making it reliable. See any difference?

NO rifle is 100% reliable...NOT IN THIS WORLD...it might approach 99.7% or a little more POSSIBLY.

I would no more take an out-of-the-box "DGR" on a DGR hunt than I would step in front of an at speed bullet train and expect the engineer to react in time and the brakes to stop it...NOR expect it to perform perfectly...those expectations are just NOT REAL in this day and age.

This whole "problem" area is one of expectation...expectation of a perfectly functioning rifle from a modern commercial "Ford" production run, union/management hurry, hurry, hurry you have quotas mindless mess WE have created. CHEAP PRODUCTS from a cheap workforce as been pointed out.

YOU GOTTA GET REAL...this krap has been going on for well over 40 years that I know of...

AND ALL THE FIXIT'S HAVE BEEN KNOWN FOR JUST AS LONG.

Take your Ruger to a custom gunsmith well know in the trade for solving the issues, call Ruger, or do try the fixes that have been expressed, SEVERAL times, on this forum alone, and then enjoy your rifle...OR SELL IT and buy a custom rifle.

Those are basically your only choices.

Ruger's, CZ's, Win's etc are ALL MAUSER CLONES to a greater or lesser extent....they can ALL be made as close to 100% functioning as practicable...BUT NOT RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX...anyone thinking that I have some ocean front property in the Montana ready for sale.

It's human nature to have a certain level of expectation and when it's not met to scream bloody murder at everyone and every where we can. It used to be the customer service rep, now it's all over the net ad infinitum, ad nausium.


I'll give you $200 bucks for that Ruger POS right now, sight unseen, just to take it off your hands just so's you'll feel better. I think I'd be getting screwed but...

All leg pulling aside, everyone knows what you're feeling...do the required fixing and you will end up with a reliable shooter.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:
Not to be a kill-joy- but thats why I don't do Rugers, they have great design ideas but every one I ever bought was rough and need lots of work to work.

My sentiments exactly. I bought a Ruger 300 magnum, wouldn't feed. Called Ruger, "Oh, it's got the wrong magazine box installed. I'll send you the correct one." Must happen all the time. More than half the Rugers I have ever bought have had some issue or another. The one that really broke me of Ruger was the 77-22 that shot half a foot at 50 yards or worse, Called Ruger, spoke with some very unpleasant woman who clearly did not sympathise. I sent it back. They returned it about six weeks later. Same problem. Called back, got the same unpleasant woman. This time she was even more unpleasant, down right resentful of the fact that I was bothering her again. All she would say was "It meets Ruger accuracy specifications." and "Send it back." I couldn't get her to tell me what Ruger accuracy specifications were nor could I get a commitment from her that it would be fixed if I sent it back for the second time at my expense. I sold it full disclosure at a large loss. I don't have any use for Ruger.

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Originally posted by NONAGONAGIN:
Look at the price of a Ruger and compare it to the price of a custom made rifle...see any difference?
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All leg pulling aside, everyone knows what you're feeling...do the required fixing and you will end up with a reliable shooter.

I completely disagree with this post, both the tone and the substance. With respect to the tone, Sarg has been screwed by Ruger, that's not his fault and it's not funny. With respect to the substance, you buy a Ruger rifle or any other mass produced rifle, the expectation that it will work is reasonable. Building mass produced rifles is not an art, it is a science and Ruger or any other competent manufacturing company should be able to produce rifles that work. Though as we see here, Ruger often does not. There are two things going on here, first, the shooter is not Ruger's customer, the big gun distributors are. Lipseys, Ellett Brothers, AcuSport, these are Ruger's customers. The big distributors don't give a hoot whether the rifle works or not nor does Ruger. Either way they get paid. The other issue is Quality Control. In the case of Ruger QC is you the end user. In the US if your rifle fails QC i.e. doesn't work, you call Ruger, they send you a shipping label, you send it back and they might fix it. If you are half way around the world that method is not a simple or convenient one. I won't buy a Ruger in the US and I absolutely, positively would not buy a Ruger overseas unless I had a guarantee I could return it to the dealer for a full refund if there was a problem. The good news, if you call Ruger they might send you some parts that will fix your ill-fated rifle.

I don't want to get into some mindless, protracted whizzing contest over whether or not you think my tone or substance was "politically correct"...I said what I KNOW to be correct... AND MY OPINION...I understand what Sarg is going through, it has happened to me several times with Ruger AND Rem AND Marlin AND a couple of other US gun makers and to several close friends.

I build my own rifles so I can solve the issues BEFORE they happen. Every American made rifle I've purchased in the last umpteen years INCLUDING RUGER has fixed any problems I had WITHOUT CHARGE AND I returned the problem toy without any shipping charges...nothing more than the annoyance of having to wait a little longer.

Sarge DID say it was only the first round that caused the problem, the rest worked perfectly so it could be a lifter spring/ follower problem as stated and easily fixed by a phone call to RUGER. We probably won't know for certain unless Sarg follows up with a complete description of a FIXED rifle or a REAL SCREWUP BY RUGER.

Very few times have I read that something amiss was fixed, the customer was satisfied and a rebuttal was posted...USUALLY nothing but silence on the issue.

The only way short of going medieval on some gun maker is to make light of it, understand the problems with the process and SOLVE IT...not piss on and on about it.

A few get screwed up guns and a hundred get guns that function perfectly without having to go through the "screwed" process. You hardly ever hear about all the good rifles that come out of all the major gum makers, but get one bad one and you never hear the end of it.

Just like the old saw..."a thousand attaboys gets you one "great guy" but it only take ONE "aweshit" to wipe out a thousand "great guys" and turn you into an ass's ass.

Whether or not you agree or disagree with me is basically immaterial, the fact remains and is pretty well known and understood, as Ray and a couple of others alluded to, man/machine made, production run made objects are subject to quality control problems and NO ONE EVER TOLD THE FULL TRUTH about their "problem" child...they ALWAYS slant the story against whomever is the "fall guy"...in this case RUGER.

I DID commiserate with Sarge in the last sentence if you recall, or did you jump before you looked, Suwannee Tim?

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Originally posted by NONAGONAGIN:
I don't want to get into some mindless, protracted whizzing contest over whether or not you think my tone or substance was "politically correct".......... or did you jump before you looked, Suwannee Tim?

You are the one trying to make this personal NONAGONAGIN. I don't play that game.

I might suggest seeing if there is some movement where the mag spring slips into the floor plate.If there is 1/4" of slop . That can be your problem. Find the fore or aft position the spring sits and allows proper feeding. You can then use some brass shim stock between the spring and the floor plate to snug it in proper position.
Fixed my model 70; 416 Rem. right up!
Two local guns smiths could not figure it out! Just a bit of tinkering

Thank you to the guys offering help to remedy this, I will be trying them out !

Some of you obviously didn't read my post right through or missed it some how .

I'm in New Zealand I have not made a call to the Ruger importer/wholesaler here, but in the past that is just a waste of a month IF they were to do any thing, Ruger USA will not send me parts, I'm very sure of that in todays world & I did buy this second hand, but as new only firing 15 rounds .

I got this rifle to rebarrel to 458Win now or in the future as it is the caliber I'm set up for & we use most where I work (next to the pussy 375H&H) so the feeding will be right after that, I hope !!

I would use it in 416 Ruger this season if it had feed well.

Now I said

" load the mag with three rounds rake the bolt back hard from unloaded chamber & first round jumps out of the mag ever time, second round feeds in, third round misses chamber high ever time "

I also said with the 458Win the frist round did not jump out, second round would feed (if the chambering would allow) & third round misses chamber high, just like the 416 Ruger, not a fair test as it is not rebarreled or worked on yet , but a good sign in that the first round does not jump out, I only stated that to show a different cartridge didn't jump out as this may mean some thing to those more informed than I.

Again thank you to all who posted !

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Originally posted by eezridr:
I might suggest seeing if there is some movement where the mag spring slips into the floor plate.If there is 1/4" of slop . That can be your problem. Find the fore or aft position the spring sits and allows proper feeding. You can then use some brass shim stock between the spring and the floor plate to snug it in proper position.
Fixed my model 70; 416 Rem. right up!
Two local guns smiths could not figure it out! Just a bit of tinkering

Thank you again just the type of thing I was looking for !

I had a 338 that wouldn't feed properly, I can't remember if it was a Model 70 or an M77. I took a spare magazine spring and cut the two end leaves off so I could nest it inside the spring of the rifle in question and fixed it there with safety wire. It worked.

I know guys that have more feeding problems than most, one of them will put his new rifles in a vise and litterly slam feed them a 100 times..He usually gets a jam...

I would suggest that when you test a gun for feed and function that you do your slam feeding from the shoulder or at least with gun in hand, because you won't have the vice handy in the Jesse and you cannot work a bolt as hard or fast in your hands as you can in a vice...Abuse can mess up anything, and this guy could screw up an anvil with a powder puff...

I bought a nice custom pre 64 mod. 70 .375 H&H from this guy that "wouldn't feed" and hunted with it for about 50 plus years now and its never failed me one time..From time to time I switch my 300 H&H barrel on it and its always fed 110% so go figure..I, however, have not tried it in a vice!

Mark,
I'd look at the mag box. I know its tough when there isn't easy access to parts or rifles to swap back and forth.

Unless you're absolutely married to the Ruger, I'd just get a FN manufactured M70 in .458 and be done with it. I've had 4 since the production moved and the function on all of them has been beyond flawless. Best Model 70s they ever made.

Your Speeder says hi.

I like the look of the Ruger Alaskan, has a no frills working look to it, this one is a bit better now, I pick it up & work the bolt 20 times a couple times a day & feed rounds through it every now again, will feed most times now but will still let the first round jump out IF raked back hard from empty chamber on full mag, if you don't do that it is 85%-90%
With a bit more tinkering/polishing & a caliber change I think it will be good .

Yes I've heard the new Winchester's are good, I had a bad one a while back so went sour on then + I don't like the way the bolt looks on them .

Ha Ha, Yes I would like to see her in the flesh, Thanks again on your help there !

After reading all these posts, I was a little worried that I might have feeding problems with my newly acquired Ruger 77 RSM in 416 Rigby. No Problems what so ever. Feeds perfectly.

I worked up a fun load with a Hornady 400g bullet using Accurate 5744. At 2000 feet per sec its a "hoot to shoot" with only 34 ft lbs of recoil. Rifle weighs 10.8 lbs w/ Leupold 1-4x scope and loaded.

I have several "one hole" groups at 100 yds.

Did not read the responses to this, but I have fixed a few of the .375 Rugers that did the same thing. I took a rubber mallet and carefully beat the top of the magazine box together just a bit. Problem solved. . . . .