(Many extremely gross, disgusting, loud and vehement military expletives deleted)! Oh well, maybe we can talk Huglu into building budget double rifles. Tell them it would help bring more pig-eating Christians to their country to help cut down on the moonlight crop-raiding boar.

The .45-70 would be awesome! I want one, but they wont be coming out till around next summer. Darn.

Mac,
"High Five" on the Remington comments! I bought my first a couple of years ago (the .450 Ackley you helped me with bedding info) and I now know why I have not owned one before...they are junk!!!
The Baikal on the other hand has many nice features for the money. I handled a .410 Savage branded one a few months ago in the gun store. I think it was around $375.00 new (web sight MSRP is $439.00). Should have bought it...cute little thing...selective trigger, rib, handled well. The action had some sort of "painted-on" game scene in gold color...kinda cheap looking, but I can fix that for a $629.00 double rifle! I'm thinking .450 #2NE, new wood, pad, merc's (because they are light), and you have a nice double rifle at 20% of the price of the next cheapest one. Not to bash the nice ones though...I think we all would love to have a "REAL" double if we could afford one. I envy those that do. Some day...
Ghost

How would you go about converting the shotgun to a double rifle? Is this safe?

bmpregler,
My bad! I was refering back to the thread title "MP221 SxS 45-70" for the .450 #2 rechamber. I got off on the .410 story and probably confused some of my intentions. The action would be the same for the shotgun or the rifle... if we can ever get the rifles over here. Which leads to another question...I wonder if one could purchase a set of barrels and forend for the 45-70, since the action supply is what seems to be the issue here?
I'll check into it, Ghost

safe? is reloading safe?

there's a book, i just bought one, "building double rifles on shotgun actions" brownells carries it, btw.

I have given up on the mp221 any time worth holding off for

jeffe

Jeffe,
I'm still in too! I just sent them another "bitch letter". Mabey if everyone would e-mail them, it would show that there is interest over here?
Ghost

They sell 45-70 barrel inserts to go in the 20" coach gun. They use an excentric to regulate the barrels and a nut that screws into the choke tube threads. This might be interesting until the real deal comes along. A local shop has two barrel sets if anyone is interested.

Jeffe,
I just received another response from EAA. I sent them a request for the 45-70 barrel set. This guy said: "Sir, We hope to see them late August or early September". This conflicts with the time frame they gave me a week ago (next summer), so I don't know what to think now. Wait and see...
Ghost

TG,
that the barrels or the mp221

regardless, i'll be making something intersting with my 475 barrels

jeffe

Lars,
Buddy, You GOT it!!

jeffe

Jeffe,
It's hard to say if this is the barrels or the complete gun. I can't get more than 1 sentence at a time from them. I take it that they will start production of the barrel sets in August or September...or when ever they get a mind to.
Ghost

At what point does the cost and delay make buying a used Pedersoli attractive to you? I saw one go last week on Gunbroker for $1550 and there is one now for $1600 starting and no bids last time I checked. Both included the fitted case, both in 45-70. I know it is about 2.5X the EAA price but they are available now and there is real-world experience in rechambering them.

I have held back from bidding since I picked one up "like new" in 9.3X74R and have not yet shot it, but I am tempted. Too bad I spent my allowance on bolt guns this year.

Charles,
I am past the point of waiting on the eea (when it comes, it comes) and I am looking at rebarreling a good shotgun into a 470....

why not a pedersoli into a 450 ne? because
1: it has hammers (preference)
2: the cost, total, will hit 2500 with rechmaber (i won't do THAT myself)
3: it will be a .458 and not a .475...


fact of the matter, when it comes round tuit, i may buy the eaa, say, oh, 2011 when it makes it in, but i'll have been shooting my 470 I HOPE for a long while by then

jeffe

I agree that hammerless would be my preference as well, but for the price I can get used to them. For someone with five thumbs on each hand like me, the shotgun conversion thing would cost more than the rechambering, since I would have to pay someone to do everything.

I have wanted a .470 Nitro Express for a long time but in reality the big 45's will do it all and I recognize from a practical standpoint (not that practiclity enters into it) my desire for the .470 is based more on literature than reality.

Why stick with the .470 if you are starting with a shotgun? I think the .577 would be lots more interesting, althought I sure that parts and ammo components are more expensive. Have you read some of the posts on the NitroExpress.Com forum on shotgun conversions? I found a link there to a story of a .577 "light nitro" built on a Greener action that got me daydreaming for a .577. The story is here .

Let us know how the project goes.

Charles,
I have shot, pretty extensively, a 577.. and it's beyound my recoil level in a double in a gun that I would carry day in day out... 14# and 100ft/lbs is just too much...

besides, that would REQUIRE a 10ga action, and reheat, rather than fining a svelte hi proof 12 or 16 ga... with a greener or dolls head.


besides, the action in the link would be PERFECT for a 470, and if i built a 577, it would certainly be a 3", as I would get made fun of!!

my 58 cal kodiak doubles, front stuffer, can hit 1400 with a 625 gr....and i hear it can be loaded to 1750 (not by ME)_

so, for the sake of "i know i can handle the recoil" i'll be looking for a nice action.. and that greener would be great...

so would an ithaca hammerless in 16, on Don's BSS...

jeffe

Geoff,
'f I were in the market fer a proper double rifle, I'd latch onto one of them Pedersoli's in a heartbeat.
1. All proper rifles with two barrels have'm beside each other and have hammers, don'tcherknow.
2. Just where on Gawd's green Earth can yer find a good double in an African caliber fer $2500?
3. A .450 NE is the original, the proper, the only cartridge t'use fer pottin' big game, what?

Old Sarge,
the 2500 bit is the cost of a ped and rebarrel....

since the 450 and 470 have the same bolt thrust (the problem with rebarreling), I would prefer the new fangled 470, being a colonist and all

jeffe