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I'm think of building a mauser rifle in 505 gibbs and if I use a #6 contour barrel 25 inches in length with a fully integral barrel to match my 416 and 450 Rigby rifles,the 505 will probably push 12.5 pounds. I don't think that is too much,but the trend is for a lighter rifle. I found this info that Kent Porter posted on a different thread and years ago DGR rifles were pretty stout for weight. I would like to ask why,the trend for much lighter DGR's,granted they're easier to carry,but can you shoot better and with a 2nd shot. I checked a CZ550 in 505 and that rifle weighs 11 lbs. To simplify my question....do you think a 50 caliber rifle @ 12.5lbs is too much?
"A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | ||
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For full-house 505 loads, you'll appreciate every ounce of that weight. Just get a tracker to carry it while you tote a 375. | |||
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I knew that,but it seems everybody wants a 9lb large bore,better men than I am. While I have a 375,I like my 404J "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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11.5lbswould be my maximum= 500NE But prefer a rifle less than 10.5lbs= that why I go for the 470NE. These weights are for a medium built man for hunting purposes. | |||
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FASST996: I have a GMA Actioned .505 Gibbs rifle with a 24" barrel. It weighs just shy of 12 lbs. empty, and without the scope or the sling. Loaded up with 5 rounds, scope, and sling, it weighs just about 14 lbs. I have been shooting 600 grain Woodleigh bullets using 135 grains of H4831SC. I am thankful for every ounce that the gun weighs. It's recoil is noticeably more severe than my 13.5 lb. .600 OK rifle when the X Brake is installed. Regards. Chip. | |||
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Chip...thanks, I will be building the identical rifle. I think I won't reload for this beast though and only use Kynoch or Norma ammo. Norma does offer a 600gr load. btw what is the velocity for your 600gr round? "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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My 500 Jeffery weighs 11.25 lbs without scope, 12 lbs with. Probably could've gone a pound lighter now that I'm used to it, but it feels light and lively in my hands, the balance is good. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Fast why would you need to follow a trend towards a lighter gun. If you feel that 11.5-12.5 pounds is OK to carry, that's what you should have. As long as it is well balanced. Even more so if you feel that you can shoot it better. Pyzda | |||
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I just find the trend interesting. I have always preffered a heavier rifle in a large bore. "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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Fast I never ever follow any trend whatsoever. I may be boring, old fashion to some, but that's how I like it. I prefer heavier guns, full stop. I also like them stock heavy and no muzzle brakes. Al I want from a gun is to fit, shoot and work 100% and be as short as practicable. Pyzda | |||
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btw what is the velocity for your 600gr round?[/quote] FAST996: I have not chronographed the 600 grain Woodleigh, but based on the reloading information that I have, it should approximate the MV of the Norma Factory round which is 2100 FPS. Actually, it was the exorbitant cost of the Norma Ammunition which prompted me to begin reloading this round. $240.00 per box of 10 rounds seemed like a lot to pay.  | |||
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I prefer heavier rifles, but I spend more time at the range than I do hunting. A 12.5 pound, 505 Gibbs would be perfect for me, when my .550 magnum is finished it will weigh 12-13 pounds. Greg | |||
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The trend was go heavy until a few years back when people started getting into the lightweight fashion for bigbores. Personally I think its easier to get in shape to carry a heavier gun, than get used to vicous recoil. Just look at all the heros firing their lightweight bigbores on youtube, atrocious, they take several seconds to take a shot off hand and keep re-djusting the position before they do so- aka they are afraid of the gun. according to principals of mastering a gun and the spirit of using a stopping rifle we should be firing dozens to hundreds of rounds from different positions, rapid mag dumps, snap shots, the lot. No way with a featherweight gun. | |||
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In my experience as a hunter, I've carried a gun far longer than I've ever shot it and on a few Ele hunts I've been on I really appreciated a 8.5 lb rifle. For the 2-4 shots I'm going to take, I can handle literally any amount of recoil and recover easily. Handling recoil is about training not about gimmicks. I do all my shooting off-hand and am adept at fast reloads, because my guns recoil straight back and not at a 45 degree angle like some I've seen. So in my opinion, lighter is better if your a hunter who will carry on-foot. Now if you don't plan on carrying the gun for a long time, then obviously, more weight will be better. I generally think Big Bores of > .458 caliber should weigh between 10.5 and 12.5 lb. is optimum for most people. -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Thanks...you sum it up perfectly. With the 505 the size and weight are pretty much written in stone for this gun. Action 4 lbs stock 3.5 lbs Integral barrel 5.00 total weight 12.5 lbs I have no interest in a 7 to 8 lb 505 Gibbs with 525gr 2300 fps loads. On that cartridge the lowest I would go is 11.5 pounds. This rifle will be open sight. "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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Light as possible, i will carry it way more than i shoot it. Mine are 7 1/2-8 1/2depending on scope. 458 and 500. | |||
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Fast A stone it is. 12.5 pounds in not too heavy for a man to carry. Anyone who shoots big bores and is recoil shy should have a close look at this Youtube clip. "Vanessa with a .500 Jeffery" Youtube Pyzda | |||
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I agree Pyzda, if I want to shave some weight I can do it off of my middle lol ... Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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My 450 Rigby weighs in at 10.5 pounds......I don't want anything heavier than that, when chasing after elephants in 105 degree heat. | |||
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AND 30klms of walking. | |||
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I agree with that 100% My 458 Lott weighs 10.5 lbs, but it has excellent balance, a stock made to fit and a mercury tube in the butt stock. Pachmayer decelerator pad and the LOP is perfect for me. I like to think that the weight you do carry should be optimised to break as much recoil as possible. There is however no excuse for fitting a muzzle break. All they break is the PH and trackers ears.  Good luck with your rifle Ian Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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All of my Lotts weigh about 9.75lbs without scope.This is the most weight I would want to carry.I once carried a rifle weighing a little over 11 lbs and that is something I don`t want to repeat no matter how nice the rifle or how short the distance walking.If I ever were to buy a double in 500 I would not want it more than 10 lbs. | |||
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