I have some 450NE load data from the Hornady manual showing a 480gr bullet running about 2100fps, but I also found some private data on the net with it running up to 2,500fps from a Ruger #1.

I am assuming the pressure was run up beyond the limit of a double rifle in the #1, however I have no pressure data on the original 450NE so I don't know what that limit might be.

So, what say the experts....is it safe to run the 450NE up like that in the Ruger?

I've had a very experienced ammo loader here tell me
that it's EASY and safe with NEW MANUFACTURE
brass in Nitro Express calibers using the strong Ruger
#1 action. Brass good for 60,000 psi. He told me 2400
fps from 18-20" bbl is surely do-able.

for my No. 1, I am fitting 108gr of H4831 as a max load with 550gr bullets. Even though the primers were just starting to flatten, I dont think I would go much past that. I dont have a chrono so I cant tell what velocity they were, but they must be past 2400. I would start with 98gr of H4831 with the 480's and go from there. From what I have found, the reloading data is catered to older doubles. The no. 1 is capable of achieving the 450 NE's true potential, especially with heavier bullets.

thecanadian,

Respectfully, the 500 grn .458 bullet gives .340 sectional density;
WHICH IS QUITE A LOT. QUITE ! What in the world is an appro-
priate target for a 550 grainer in .458 cal? (Especially given the
data that michael458 is generating with 450 grainers and lighter in
CEB and North Fork bullets) Are not the 550's difficult to stabilize?

Well, that is good to know.

However, since my No.1 only weighs 7.5 pounds, I am not sure I'm going to cowboy up and light off a 500gr bullet at 2500fps. Call me a pussy if you like.......

Tony

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Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
thecanadian,

Respectfully, the 500 grn .458 bullet gives .340 sectional density;
WHICH IS QUITE A LOT. QUITE ! What in the world is an appro-
priate target for a 550 grainer in .458 cal? (Especially given the
data that michael458 is generating with 450 grainers and lighter in
CEB and North Fork bullets) Are not the 550's difficult to stabilize?

Kind of the whole point in getting a No.1 in 450NE was to get a gun that will knock the socks out of both me and anything on the receiving end. I wanted the biggest badest bullet possible, and while 550's are not really needed, its fun to blast 10gallon buckets of water and see them blow up. I do plan on using this rifle for deer hunting and I am starting to develop a load using 300’s so it is not entirely for show. As far as bullet stabilization goes I have tried the Barnes 600 gainers and they are on the starting end of stabilization issues with the velocity I am shooting them at. My 550's have shot through 4 feet of oak so it doesnt seem to have stabilization issues.

quote:

Originally posted by TonyRumore:
Well, that is good to know.

However, since my No.1 only weighs 7.5 pounds, I am not sure I'm going to cowboy up and light off a 500gr bullet at 2500fps. Call me a pussy if you like.......

Tony

Here is my brother shooting my gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gokFieBv8E

Mom must have liked you best if you are letting your brother shoot that load
Much like pushing the .45lc in a Ruger Red Hawk the brass will be your limiting factor...
Good Luck

Hello

I put a heavy scope and mercury tube in mine.
Tips the scales at 9.5 lbs.
Shooting Hornady FTX 325gr at 2400 ~ 2500 fps.
96 grains of IMR 4831 and Fed 215M primer.

Nitro

Anybody know what the recipe is to duplicate the 450NE Hornady DGX/DGS factory rounds. I have seen it on here before but could not find what I was looking for in the search function.

Per Hornady DGX H4831 95.5=96.0 2100=2120 FPS

Thanks 450NE, I guess its pretty obvious that you would know!

quote:

Call me a pussy if you like.......

Tony

Never EVEr refer to someone who is an SOT and manufactures machineguns and other fun this a pussy.

That is all.

84 gr of RL19 got me 2150 with a 400gr Hornady out of my #1 and it shot great.

Not a load, just a comment...

Kynoch factory loads at ca. 2150 fps had plenty of whoop for my uses. As they were fired in double rifles which weighed 9-1/2 to 10-1/2 pounds, those guns were also fun to shoot a dozen or more quick rounds from, with no pain.

For a Ruger No. 1 which weighs about 2 lbs. less (20%), I don't think I'd need to up the load regardless how much punishment the rifle will take.

I shoot for fun, not to punish myself....and what killed well from the doubles should do the same from a single-shot.

YMMV

Those guns are actually too light weight IMO for such rounds..The 450 N.E. is a real kicker..a mild load of IMR-4831 to about 2000 FPS might be a bit better and still kill big stuff pretty darn good.

Great thread. Recently acquired a custom #1 450. Bought 4 boxes of Hornady ammo. I shoot it with a NECG peep and it put three shots in 1 hole at 50 yds. I'm not looking for more speed-I'll settle for this "plinker" load. Thanks for the recipe.

I ran the 500gr Hornady up to 110 grains of H4831 with no problems. I couldn't get 115gr in the case without getting a slight case bulge at the base of the bullet. I have not chrono'd the 110gr rounds, but I really don't care. I'm not interested it getting belted any harder than that from this 7.5 pound gun. It's a hundred degrees here, so I'm just shooting it with a thin T-shirt on......it puts the whallop on me.

However fast it's going, is plenty good enough for me.

Tony Rumore
Tromix

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Recently acquired a custom #1 450.

Pictures please......if you dont mind.