The Lott at 2300 fps is so much more potent than the 470 NE at 2150, does the pressure go up that much reloading 470's to 2300 fps?

Anyone that has tried it, please chime in.

Because of the nature of beast, I'd bet dollars to donuts that the bullets would cross long before you could reach 2300 f/s. In fact, I'd seriously question whether a DR could go 2300 in that caliber w/o some major problems cropping up.

If you wanted, you could get Butch Searcy to regulate one of .470 doubles for you with a 500 grain bullet going 2400 fps. The action could certainly stand the pressure.

As for bullets crossing, I doubt that is Will's concern since he shoots his elephants at 10 feet or so. In fact, if he is building a rifle he may wish to consider a shotgun bead instead of sights.

I guess 2300 is feasible if done from the get-go. With that much recoil generated, I'd just rather go up to 500 NE instead and wear sleeve-less shirts to go with it.

I guess I have to ask Why? The buff I have wacked with my 470 (500 grain Woodleigh, 2105 fps) both went down as hit by lightning

Will,
I don't know where you got it in your thick skull that the 458 Lott is a better killer than the 470 N.E....because it ain't...that 475 cross section makes up the difference and I have gotten quiker kills with the .470 than with any other caliber...Granted its close and both calibers work great, but the .470 gets the cigar my friend...

I seem to recall that Butch's regulation load of 108.0 gr of IMR 4831 delivers 2250 fps with a 500 gr Woodleigh. Delivers that in mine. Close enough to count.

With SA powders it is not possible to lunch a 500 gr bullet at 2,300 fps, unless it is a compreesed load done with a drop-tube. The result is invariable undue high pressure. The 470 NE pushing the same bullet at 2,150 fps is not only adequate, but the pressure is much lower. Perhaps we should rather compare boltactions with boltactions, unless we are trying to discuss terminal ballistics and which round penetrates deeper or which one makes a bigger wound channel, etc. I do not want a Lott even if you pay me.

Chris Bekker

It just depends on what is considered adequate.

There is a marked difference in 2150 fps and 2300 fps. On the baby stuff, the 470 is good enough!

Willard,
It has become abundantly apparant that you have not shot anything with the .470...

A .475 cal. bullet at 2250 FPS in my Searcy will compete with a your 458 cal. bullet at 2300 FPS and give you some change my friend. That cross section is very important on bif animals...

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Originally posted by 475Guy:
Because of the nature of beast, I'd bet dollars to donuts that the bullets would cross long before you could reach 2300 f/s. In fact, I'd seriously question whether a DR could go 2300 in that caliber w/o some major problems cropping up.

I agree completely! My question is why would anyone want to soup-up a 470NE? What is needed is for the 458 LOTT to be loaded down to the ballistics of the old 450NE 3 1/4". The recoil is much easier to handle, and the balistics are all that is needed on this planet!

I agree with Ray. While limited ,my experience is that the .470NE is a better killer than the Lott despite the velocity advantage. My observations is that game shot with the .470NE (2 Buff) reacted far more visably than the 2 buff I shot with a .450 Ackley( at Lott velocities). 4 Ft of penetration on a ELE is nothing to be sneazed at either( I'd expect a Lott to do about the same though). IF I could find or build a .470NE double that weighed 8.5 to 9.5 lbs I would hunt DG with it exclusively. It's damn near a perfect caliber.-Rob