Have a 500 Jeffery and am going to use North Fork 510 diameter 600 Gr flat nose solids. Has anyone worked up a load for the 500 Jeffery using the 600 gr. NF bullets.

Thanks

Hi,

I have a load data for CEB 475 grains Safari Raptor for Jeff. Let me know if you are interest.

Stan

Yea please, I can always work from the 475 gr load. Thanks

Here we go:

Hi Stan

Where did you source this data, I use S355 in my wife's 500NE? I couldn't find any published data for S355 and developed my load with a combo of cross referencing and blind luck sprinkled with black magic.
My load is 100gr S355 behind both the 475gr Raptor and 510gr solid and delivers 2200fps.

Sir,

Thank you very much for this information, it is extremely helpful.

Cheers,

GOB

Glenn, why North Fork when Dan at CEB is making (better?) bullets in Pennsyltucky?

Your oyster shucking buddy!

GOB,

You are welcome. Please share when you come up with a good load data.

Balule,

Outschar, a master gunsmith in Ferlach, Austria is building me a couple of bolt action in .500 Jeff and a couple of DR in.500 NE. I want to use CEB #13 .510 510 grains solid and 475 grains Safari Raptor, so I ask them to develop a load for me.

Stan

Hi Son,

They are great bullets, they are close to us, they treat us well. Now comes the HOWEVER!!!!

I in ALL cases find them MORE costly, not as accurate and the leave the bore a LOT HARDER to clean than North Fork. I have used a LOT of the CEB in various calibres and just as is said find them great but not as great as the NF.

I have used the NF cupped point on everything except elephant, I used the solids on elephant. It was in all cases one shot and done. They just work for us in all aspects. Then they cut the cleaning time down by over half.

PLEASE we are not trying to tell anyone's Granny how to suck eggs, it is just our experiences.

Hope you are well and look after yourself.

Cheers,

GOB

Your own experience is surely valid when making
important choices. May I ask if you have tried
the G S Custom bullets, especially since they are
being made in the USA now, ( as well as their
original plant in Africa).

Tried to get some but no joy. We are however quite content with North Fork. They are very accurate, devistating and clean. A combination which is hard to beat. They are also extremely reasonably priced.

CEB doesn't list 600gr .510 solids so no valid comparison in that weight.

However move to 570gr .510 solids and I come up with the following price comparison, fresh off each respective website:

North Fork - 570 gr .510 FPS @ $243.00 for 100 bullets ($121.50 box of 50).
CEB - 570gr .510 Safari Solid @ $171.60 for 100 bullets ($34.32 box of 20).

North Fork - 570gr .510 CPS @ $246.60 for 100 bullets ($123.30 box of 50).
CEB - 530gr .510 Safari Raptor @ $202.80 for 100 bullets ($40.56 box of 20).

NF bullets are darn good bullets but so are the Safari line of CEB bullets.

Hi, you are correct, it is however definitely NOT about the money.

We in every caliber rifle we have loaded found the North Fork to be more accurate and always far easier to clean. We cannot say they are more deadly but I can say the NF has on all animals from jackal to elephant been one shot and done.

We have a lot of CEB's in various caliber and shapes but I cannot get the same results.

It well could be us but sadly I am operating on the theory " if it ain't broke don't fix it" (Calvin Coolidge 30th President).

Have you used both? How have they worked fto you?

Oh Jim,

Forgot to mention, actually would rather the 570gr. bullet but NF only offers the .600gr and the Client wants the rifle to shoot the .600gr.

Thanks Again,

GOB

Mr. Hunter,

I mentioned I believe that we tried to purchase the bullets from SA but the firm could not give a toss and basically told us to go away.

We are Licensed Importers so the importation was not a problem. We also very politely did offer to assist them in importation.

Could you please provide us the information on where they may be obtained? It is foolish not to give them a try even after their not too helpful reply in the past.

Respectfully,

Glenn

quote:

Originally posted by GOB:
Oh Jim,

Forgot to mention, actually would rather the 570gr. bullet but NF only offers the .600gr and the Client wants the rifle to shoot the .600gr.

Thanks Again,

GOB

Glenn,

That pretty much settles all.

GOB,

GSC .510-caliber bullets I see are:
FN: 500, 540, and 570 grains
HV: 450, 650, and 790 grains (the latter two for 50 BMG)

Things may have changed since you last looked.
Go here:

http://www.gscustomusa.com/

Gina Schultz-Pienkowski and Mr. Pienkowski are in Michigan, making bullets.

email: gina@gscustomusa.com

telephone: 260-715-5079

I got best-for-my-purposes .408 bullets from them since they began operating in MI about mid 2013, IIRC.

I just put in an order for .411 bullets too.
Also another case of best-for-my-purposes.

The .408s were the "Trio" of HV, SP, and FN.

I have used GSC .510/570-grain FN on +1600-lbs. bison with 500A2:
8 feet of penetration from stern to stem, repeatedly while alive and after death as a check.

I have also used the .510/450-grain HV at 2654 fps (on cape buffalo) and 2836 fps (on dirt berms) in the 500 Mbogo 3".
The 500 Jeffery is about 5% bigger in case capacity,
and capable of the same at lower pressure.

What?

http://www.northforkbullets.co...t-solids/?bweight=24

North Fork .510-caliber bullets:

CPS and FPS (Cup Point "Semi-Solid" and Flat Point Solid) both type bullets available in these weights:

535, 570, and 600 grains

... According to their web site.

A nice combo uses the Barnes TSX 570-grainer with either the 570-grain GSC FN Solid or 570-grain North Fork FPS.

Barnes 570-grain Smurf-X Bullet (forerunner to the TSX) along with the 570-grain GSC FN:



570-grain Barnes TSX:

What load have you used? We have no problem sorting all variety of powder out.

We are doing a load with the NF .600 gr Flat Nose Solid and interested in the powders that seem to work best. It is a Custom made left hand 24 inch .510 Lilja barrel on a Dakota Action, wood stock. It is a TOP QUALITY piece, not only beautiful but very very well made.it weighs 11.5 pounds and is absolutely a pleasure to shoot. I find this gun is far less bothersome than a .416 Rigby.

I have shot it with 570 gr. Kynoch (not 100% positive on that as I am not near the loading data and ammo). The Woodleigh bullets in my opinion only are Trailer Park Trash compared to NF, CEB, BARNES & The South African Offering.

Thanks VERY much for that information. I shall get on that. We have heard great things about the bullets but as I said, they flat out were not helpful in the past but it is pointless to cut off your nose to spite yourself.

I really am anxious to load them in my personal .460 Weatherby. I have found for anything that requires distance or close work the .460 loaded "properly with good bullets" is not only devastating but a pleasure to shoot.

I hate carrying a ton of guns with me when I go to Africa, even up front with the extra baggage permitted it is a pain. My wife does not shoot but loves The bush and Hunting so she gets to carry the .470NE over back and on the connecting flights where every thug is trying to rip you off for excess baggage. She has also been known to carry it in the bush for me at times. I have had trackers vanish with guns and been not in the pocket of my PH, I never was a track star so running is not going to happen with me and
Christa I know will be there if needed.

http://www.realguns.com/loads/500jeffery.htm

quote:

Originally posted by GOB:
We are doing a load with the NF .600 gr Flat Nose Solid and interested in the powders that seem to work best. It is a Custom made left hand 24 inch .510 Lilja barrel on a Dakota Action, wood stock. It is a TOP QUALITY piece, not only beautiful but very very well made.it weighs 11.5 pounds and is absolutely a pleasure to shoot. I find this gun is far less bothersome than a .416 Rigby.

I have shot it with 570 gr. Kynoch (not 100% positive on that as I am not near the loading data and ammo). The Woodleigh bullets in my opinion only are Trailer Park Trash compared to NF, CEB, BARNES & The South African /Michigan Offering. (GSC USA)

GOB,
I have not loaded the 500 Jeffery, but a friend has. Here is the start of getting on paper with one of his favorite loads,
with his then new Sterling Davenport Mauser. Open sight adjustments followed, after I shot these first shots on paper, in Oklahoma.

3 shots with gold bead at 50 yards went into one hole. 2 more shots with flip-up, ivory bead spread the group a bit,
witnessed by rifle owner, Leonard B., member lb404:



Yes, the Woodleigh soft may be too soft for the 500 Jeffery, but it would make an excellent varmint bullet.

This load would likely be great with the 540-grain North Fork bullets: 105 grains of Varget

With 570 to 600-grain bullets (North Fork, GSC, CEB, Barnes), you might start with 100 grains of Hodgdon Varget Extreme or 110 grains of H4350 Extreme, and work up to desired velocity.

My 500 Mbogo is about 5% smaller in case capacity than the 500 Jeffery.
The following would be safe in the bigger 500 Jeffery.
Your pressures and velocities will be a bit lower,
unless you get them higher by adding more powder than this:

450-grain GSC HV bullet:
GM215M or F215 primer
Hodgdon Benchmark Extreme in 500 Mbogo:
105 grains >>> 2654 fps (with filler)
115 grains >>> 2836 fps (no filler)

Relative case capacity visual, 500 Jeffery 2.75" versus the 500 Mbogo 3" pictured below:

Thank you so much for all this. I want to go into this with you a bit more but I have got to leave for the Airport, Christa is coming in from visiting her Mum in England. Life would not be full of joy if I am late. Plus it is Philadelphia and w.C. Fields had exactly the same opinion of Philadelphia as I.

GOB,

About the GSC .510/450-grain HV:
That bullet was designed to have similar length as the classic Cup & Core .510/535-grain bullets, softs and solids,
the ones that stabilized so well in the 500 Jeffery standard twist, 1:15", IIRC.

They have been redesigned since I used them in 2010.
416Tanzan posted a picture here, of the current one.
A comparison of my old ones to his new ones is interesting:

Old Pre-2010 design:



New Post-2010 design:



Last photo above is from member 416Tanzan. Left to right: 450-gr GSC HV, 510-gr GSC FN, 570-gr CEB solid, 350-gr CEB HP soft, 570-gr Barnes TSX.

Always specify your barrel's groove and bore diameters when ordering from GSC,
they will tweak the bullet to fit your barrel, to whatever micron tolerances their proprietary formula dictates.
Your Dan Lilja barrel specs are probably 1:15" twist, .510 groove, .500 bore, eh?

The GSC HV 450-grainers are worth considering for use in the 500 Jeffery for buffalo up close or plains game afar.

Here is what one did to a cape buffalo at 75-80 yards range,
MV of the .510/450-grain bullet was 2654 fps.
Reaction of buffalo to impact, snagged off of the zoomed-in video:



They are slick feeders for sure with the HP-spitzer nose shape.



That is the old one above, but the new version of this bullet has had the nose redesigned to be more streamlined, has higher BC.
It is still a great feeder.
Also, the new nose design will be more reliable on expanding at impact.
I believe I have some good insight into this issue.

I see RIP has posted all pertinent info on G S Custom
bullets USA operation etc., so Mr Baker can hopefully
receive some and experiment with them.

Thanks for the assistance, it is very much appreciated.

quote:

Originally posted by GOB:
Oh Jim,

Forgot to mention, actually would rather the 570gr. bullet but NF only offers the .600gr and the Client wants the rifle to shoot the .600gr.

Thanks Again,

GOB

Glen, I don't understand the comment about NF only offering the 600gr in .510 and not 570gr.? I'm shooting the 570gr NF flat nose solids in my 500NE. Am I missing something other than the fact that your client wants to shoot the 600gr and he's shooting a 500J instead of the 500NE?

quote:

Originally posted by GOB:
Mr. Hunter,

I mentioned I believe that we tried to purchase the bullets from SA but the firm could not give a toss and basically told us to go away.

We are Licensed Importers so the importation was not a problem. We also very politely did offer to assist them in importation.

Could you please provide us the information on where they may be obtained? It is foolish not to give them a try even after their not too helpful reply in the past.

Respectfully,

Glenn

That sounds about right Glen. My experience with Gerard has been less than pleasant when it comes to dealing with new and potential clients. Too many other outstanding bullets on the market to put up with that!

Also, on your comments of CEB vs NF, my experience has been that the CEBs shoot better in some and the NF better in others. For instance, after 14 load combinations, the CEB NC and BBW#13s are the only thing that will regulate in my 9.3x74R double with the scope installed. However, I've found the NF 570gr solid to shoot best in my VC 500NE, while the 475gr CEB NCs with tips at unusually high velocity are best in that same rifle for an expanding bullet.

I've used the CEBs extensively but this trip next week will be the first use of NF for me. I expect they will perform brilliantly however as CEB and NF really seem to be focused on performance and less on marketing as has been the road traveled lately by Barnes. And the guys at CEB and NF know how to treat their customers as well!

Thank you, that has been my experience as well. I as you suspect that it just may come down to the batch of bullets. Both Companies are great and the people are also great.

Travel well, have a safe and wonderful hunt and safe return.

Sorry I miss spoke there, I wanted the 570 gr. My friend wanted to load the .600 gr. I think the .570 would have been the better but at elephant distance I think all will work out fine. I forgot they offered the .570 gr. Plus it is his choice, not mine.

quote:

Originally posted by GOB:
Sorry I miss spoke there, I wanted the 570 gr. My friend wanted to load the .600 gr. I think the .570 would have been the better but at elephant distance I think all will work out fine. I forgot they offered the .570 gr. Plus it is his choice, not mine.

Understood.

quote:

I've found the NF 570gr solid to shoot best in my VC 500NE, while the 475gr CEB NCs with tips at unusually high velocity are best in that same rifle for an expanding bullet.

Todd.....

From Jorges recent experience, and I think his rifle is a VC as well.... Anyway, seeing a possible trend with VC of shooting best with North Fork Solids and mated with the CEB NonCons being best of combo with the guns.... No downsides there, North Forks new profile Solid is SUPERB to say the least, equal to the BBW#13 and might exceed in some cases depth of penetration.......... I have the new profile in the .500s and they are incredible. I don't think you will have any issues at all with that............

M