Which 416 would you recomend and why and why not the other?

What is my pourpose with the gun?

Dangerous game and big plains game, bear, moose and wildboar.

cchunter

Haveing trouble making up your mind again, we need to talk

I would recommend a 416 rigby for this type of work. It's a classic round with low pressures, more than one loads factory ammo, you can get cases of great quality from Norma. If you like recoil you can load it up a level, just relax and enjoy

There can be only one...the 416 RIGBY

If you want a cheap but working gun for little money get a CZ 550. The quality is nothing to complain about. I say that the CZ is better than remington or Winchester rifles and bit lower in cost.

How thick is the wallet for this gun project?

Cheers
/ JOHAN

[ 12-13-2002, 01:50: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

it depends.. is this going to be your ONLY gun?

no, actually, it don't
cz550 in 416 rugby, $625
3pos safety and install $200
NICE stockand parts, and DIY $400
scope (which ever leupold) $400
mounts $90

it'll have a long barrel, shoot anything well, and is CLASSIC. You can load it up, if so inclined, to 416 weatherby (turn the belt of the brass, if you don't trust your rigby brass)

I have a 416 rem, but that's another story, as I want the 416 rigby. My shooting bunch as 1 taylor, 1 rem, 2 rigbys...

jeffe

Christer

Rise above the lowly Cartridge de Jour and the 'common rifle' of the masses. Get a .404 Jeffereys, the Aristocrat of Bolt Action Cartridges.

It has been proven on the Game Fields of Africa for 90 years and has killed more game there than all of the .416 combined have taken in the entire world. It will due everything that any of the various and sundry .416s will do and do it with a larger diameter bullet.

Don't bow to the crowd that says' "get a .416 and you can hang out with the cool guys". Don't be a sheep, be a wolf!

All right, enough. This soap box is awfully high and I'm getting dizzy.

Johan

I sure know your opinion but want to hear from some others to!

I have a CZ .416 Rigby & I love both the rifle & caliber, IMHO the cz's are a great buy, were can a cash strapped bloke like me get a magnum mauser action with double square bridges all steel with express sights for a price like this !!

I shoot 410 gr woodeligh's I have my scope off at the minute, it did wear a 2-7x33 VariX11 leupold in CZ mounts and it worked fine and continues to work on my mates CZ .416 but I really want a More DGR style set up so I have ordered warne detachable mounts and will most likely buy a 2.5x compact leupold to match which is what many reccomend for hardkickers on this forum. I have made a stock change as I like "QUALITY" composites not the injection moulded crap.

CZ has given us a .416 Rigby rifle at a great price that the average bloke can afford and then slowly trick it up as they progress. I have seen the value in these rifles so I have another on lay by in .375 H&H. I just reckon we should not miss the boat with these rifles, if not for there action alone.

I have not shot the lighter bullets but I reckon they would be great flat shooting rifle with 340 gr woodeligh protected points.

Regards PC.

PC

The CZ is ok, my friend has it in 375 H&H.

What about Recoil difference between rem and rigby, any experience?

Christer I have never shot a .416 rem "But" I assume that recoil would be simlar if both loaded to 2400 fps with a 410 gr woodleigh, the Rigby might require a little more powder and there fore that would mean it would recoil more heavily but all things being equal the .416 Rigby would be in a slightly heavier rifle than the .416 rem so that again would even things out. I reckon in either case a .416 probable should be about 10.5 pounds. I do not think I my .416 would be as comfortable to shoot if it were under the 10 pound mark loaded and scoped. In Australia it would seem that .416 rem brass is harder to get than .416 Rigby.

Christer

My .404 loaded, with no scope, weighs 8.5 lbs. It is a Jeffereys and from the factory does not have a recoil pad. Nor does it need one. The stock is so well designed and executed that recoil is not a factor.

My fondness for the .416 Rigby ( Ruger MkII, Safari) is based simply on the fact that I've shot about 35 African critters with it. I was and still am astonished at the increased effectiveness of this round even when compared to the .375 H&H ( on which there are no flies). The .416 Rigby is just that much better. Why go with a high pressure round like the .416 Rem when a low pressure round will work just as effectively.-Rob

CChunter,
My 416Rem. M70 Win. weighs 9 1/2 pounds with scope. My CZ 550 .375 weighs 9 1/2 pounds with no scope or rings. I think the CZ is a great buy but we can only get that monstrosity of a Bavarian style stock in the US so the cost of restocking must be added. Your choice of caliber may come down to your choice in rifles.
good luck

cchunter,
Just go with the Rigby. With the large case your looking at lower pressures and you can always load down to the others and have extended brass life etc. You can go where it's hotter than hell and still shoot 2400 fps with a 400 grain bullet without any problems.

470 Mbogo

HI,

ROBGUNBUILDER, I agree with you that is why I am going to get a custom built 416 rigby. I plan no movng to alaska in the vary near future and feel that a 416 rigby will be great for the area.I plan on getting the rifle under 9 pounds which is possible and really is not all that bad as far as recoil. Thanks,Kev

I would choose a 416 rigby. The 416 remington has some potential pressure problems when loaded up to a true 2400 fps, and the 416 taylor is not in the same class. Ammo (and rifles) for the 404 jeff is hard to find.

And norma makes good 416 rigby brass.

you can,t go wrong with the rigby but i have a 416rem loaded to 2425fps with 400gr bullets, i let it stay in the sun at 100 degrees for two hours with rounds in it and some on a table i then shot it ten times as fast as possible, i had no trouble with sticking cases or anything else , although its true you can not load much hotter than that i do not want to . the gun is a win. mod.70 with the new stock and a pleasure to shoot compared to some stocks

I like the 416 Rem and the 404 Jefferys equally and that is the ones I shoot...

I like them because I can build them in a smaller std. lenth action and save a good deal of weight but mostly because they make up into a trimmer better handling gun....The Rigby action is considerably longer and heavier and bulky to my mind...It is a fine cartridge.

A .416 Rigby on a M98 action ( properly done) is a dream come true. I agree that a .416 Rigby usually means a bulky action, but Rigby did produce them on M98's and I've both seen and shot an original. To my way of thinking this is the classiest way to go. Dropped floorplate for three down and all. High pressure cartridges are great for varmints not DGR's.-Rob

Gentlemen:
I am still amazed that some still use the "higher pressure" theme for the .416 Remington? It is loaded at no higher pressures than the factory .270 and others. I have used the .416 Hoffman/Remington for over 20 years in some of the hottest clime in Africa (Sudan) at over 118 degrees daytime temp. I still have not had one problem with pressures. So, come off the pressure
kick. If you like the .416 Rigby better that is fine. There is nothing wrong with it. But like Ray, It takes a larger action, more expensive ammo
and takes more care in reloading with that sharp shoulder. In fact if it had not been for the .416 Rem.success, I doubt if the Rigby would be with us today. You"all have a good day now!
George

[ 12-17-2002, 03:51: Message edited by: George Hoffman ]

Robingunbuilder,
I know it has been done but you just about have to gut a standard 98 action to get a 416 Rigby to work through it, one must really get into the front a lot....

I personally wouldn't do it and sure don't recommend it...I have a PH that shoots one, but it is not a safe practice...but if you do then I would load it down considerably, or shoot only factory ammo in it.......In fact I want no part of that practice.

well said