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How many of you have had your factory CZ stocks crack? My friends 416 just did. I was just wondering because i was thinking about getting one.
 
Posts: 1117 | Location: Helena, MT, USA | Registered: 01 April 2001Reply With Quote
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It is not common at all. I broke up a BRNO 375H&H De Luxe rifle (CZ before they changed the name) for parts 4 years ago and I still have the brand new stock sitting in the shop. We repaired many more Sako, Steyr and others due to recoil induced breaks. Even when guys fall off horses and down mountains they seem to bust the other makes more readily.

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How are you? my friend and I both purchased a cz in .416 rigby and after fireing 8 shots a piece both our stocks cracked. I am replacing mine with a fiberglass one. And my friend is getting a new stock under warranty and will have it bedded/strengthened buy a gunsmith. He said that the supports in the cz's were in the wrong spots and should be around the magazine box not behind the action. There still great value even if you have to replace a stock with a better one you would still have a well priced big bore. They shoot great to!!!, go ahead and get one.
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How many of you have had your factory CZ stocks crack? My friends 416 just did. I was just wondering because i was thinking about getting one.

 
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I've shot his a lot and it shoots great! It has already been steel bedded and had weight added. We were shooting some Heavy loads,410 woodleighs at 2600fps and 350 Speers at 2800. I was finishing off the 410s when it cracked behind the receiver in the grip. They are an excellent gun, I think he just pushed it too far. There was NO problem with extraction, but the primers were a little flat, but i've seen worse.
 
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Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've put over 400 rounds thru my .416 with no problems. I also rechambered a 602 in .458 to .450 Ackley and have put over 250 rounds thru it with no problems either. I haven't touched the bedded on either.

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>40 can you excuse my ignorance and explain the process of steel bedding. I imagine this would be the ultimate in strength. I have chosen a weatherby style fiberglass stock that is also being reinforced with a mixture of kevlar carbon fibre through it and around magazine box. This is similar to what Karl had done with his Nyatti. Should I have gotton steel bedding??. Good stout loads you have developed!!!.
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I've shot his a lot and it shoots great! It has already been steel bedded and had weight added. We were shooting some Heavy loads,410 woodleighs at 2600fps and 350 Speers at 2800. I was finishing off the 410s when it cracked behind the receiver in the grip. They are an excellent gun, I think he just pushed it too far. There was NO problem with extraction, but the primers were a little flat, but i've seen worse.

 
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PC,
I don't know how it was done, but i'll check with him and find out.
 
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PC,
I talked to him today and he said he got it from brownells. It was a liquid steel but it never set up right so he glass bedded it.
 
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over.40, thanks for that, so it does not work any better than glass etc.??. I got my rigby back just before christmas with it's new stock and I spoke to my stock builder he asking him about the steel. He stated that his stock would not crack as long as the screws were done up tight. Have not fired it yet. I get confused with how tight things have to be. I screwed the heads of two screws when attaching my scope with the cz mounts and I hope I have not overtightened the action screws in this stock. The allen key provided (as he replaced the action screws with hex head ones) was cut to length so that it could only be tightened to a degree but I always tend to overtighted, and have been very conciuos with this rifle as it is my first kicker.

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Steelbed is an epoxy that contains powdered steel, there are also aluminum and titanium filled epoxys. As far as what is best, hard to say, but I'd suspect that the steelbed would tend to provide a very dense material, and perhaps be better in compression then reinforcing with glass or carbon fibre. If one looks at tensile srength, then the glass and carbon fibre is the way to go.

As far as cracking in the grip, big boomers should have .030" clearence between the action tang and the stock. If one glasses the tang area of the stock, you increase (almost gurantee) your liklihood of cracking the stock trhough the grip.

I wish I had a scanner, as Jack Lott had a wonderful article on building, re-inforcing, and repairing stocks for big bore rifles in an older edition of Shooters Bible.

 
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Paul H,
I'd be willing to pay for the time, cost of copies and postage if you'd be willing to make a copy of the article. I have a scanner and would be more than happy to make it available to anyone interested.
 
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I'll second mauser416's request for that Lott article on stock work for heavies! mauser416 - good idea!

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There is a scanner hear at work somewhere, and I'm sure if I bothered to learn to use it, it would be no more effort to scan then copy. But alas, I'll try and remember to bring the article in tomorrow, and burn a copy or two. I'm concerned about the quality of scanning the copy, but better then nothing. Drop me an e-mail, and I'll send a copy your way. I oughts to be able to spare a stamp or two.
 
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Paul is this only a problem with cz stocks I do not here anyone on this forum talking about there cracked sako's, remingtons or winchesters???. Why is that cz stocks tend to crack what have they done wrong ????

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PC,

This is a potential problem with most any factory stock. I think the reason you don't here much about some of the other factory guns is folks tend to use them for a basis of a custom rifle, and can the factory wood.

 
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Paul H, I would also be very interested in a copy of the article. If possible to arrange an e-mail, I would be grateful!

[This message has been edited by Wachtel (edited 12-28-2001).]

 
Posts: 544 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 27 October 2001Reply With Quote
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Paul or who ever knows I just want to pick someones brain about one more thing, upon having my stock built for my rigby when he returned it he had canned the little metal cylinders that surrounded the action screws. When I asked him why he had done this he said you did not need them and that was one reason which lead to the initial stock failure. Do you agree with this???

Regards PC

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How are you? my friend and I both purchased a cz in .416 rigby and after fireing 8 shots a piece both our stocks cracked. I am replacing mine with a fiberglass one.

Hello PC,

I have a CZ550 Magnum, rechambered to .375 Weatherby. I want to replace the original stock with a fiberglass stock too. Could you please tell me, which fiberglass stock you are using for your .416 Rigby and where I can get it ?, because here in Europe I couldn�t find any source for it. Many thanks.

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Max how are you?, my stock was made by Alan Naumann of Corpral Trading, PO Box 327 Nerang Qld 4211. His e-mail address is cortrad@ace-net.com.au his ph & fax is 07 55781269. Alan recomends the weatherby style stock for rifles that kick. Mine has a palm swell and is reinforced with kevlar and carbon fibre and has had hex head screws replace the original ones. A Pachymar old english deccalerator recoil pad has been added. Alan requires the whole rifle including original stock to be sent to him. I am extremely happy with my stock and he makes the stocks to your length of pull and desired weight. As a consequence you will finish up with a stock that will fit you better than a mass produced drop in design.

Regards PC.

P.S let us know how you get on.

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Hello PC,
thanks I�m well, hope you too. That was really a great help. I will contact Alan Naumann by email and will ask him, whether he can make a stock in "Old English Safari" style for me. It is good, that he makes the lengt of pull to the custumers specs, because my arms tend to be longer than normal (Greetings from Cheeta). The only problem I�m thinking about in the moment ist sending my rifle to Australia, because I think that�s a lot of f.....g german paper work. I will ask him, whether it�s possible to make a stock to my specs, but as a drop in, so that my gunsmith here can glassbed the action then. But anyway, I will find a way, to get that "problem" solved. Best Regards and a happy new year.

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