Looking to gain knowlege on this one...esp at higher speeds with lighter bullets..300 Barnes..Any Users?Pet loads..Will the 416 Rem Mag loads work since cartridge case capacity is IDENTICAL at 80 grains of water???
Also what is expected on velocity loss with a 20"?

To be honest...nothing...since the same bullet can be used the only difference is the case design and the velocity produced. Since these two are for all intents and purposes they are about identical, so truly..very little difference.

I have been shooting one for several years. I will PM you some loads when I get a chance to go through my notes.

Thanks!

I don't know if they have the same capacity but this is what the Hornady Reloading manual #9 has to say.

Ruger 20"bbl Remington 24" bbl

748 75.3 grs 2250fps 79.5 grs.2400 fps.
Varget 68.1 2150 78.0 2350
VVN140 71.3 2150 76.8 2300
RL15 75.5 2250 81.4 2400
W760 80.8 2250 92.2 2400

All with a 400 gr. bullet.

Hope this helps!

Hip

Sorry, when I posted the reply everything got crammed together!
Left side data is Ruger----Right side is Remington

Thanks very much Hip!

We chrono my 416 ruger with 300gr tsx a little bit over 2600fps.

With my 416 I only use the stock standard 400 gn proj

82 gn R17 400 GN Woodleigh 2400 fps
035 P chronagraph

I'm sure the Ruger will easily beat 2700 fps with the 300 gr TSX. The 416 Taylor will do 2700 fps from a 19" barrel with that bullet and its a lot smaller case.

My 416 Ruger Guide Gun shoots the 300gr TSX amazingly accurate at 2650fps. That's about all the velocity I can squeeze out of it. I am not as sure as Cold finger it will do an easy 2700fps.

My question with the 300TSX is it enough bullet for the grizzly and brown bears? I am sure Jake can answer this!

Regards
Mark

Thanks Mark...Yes that will slam a Grizz or a much bigger Brownie down with no problem! Hundreds are taken with a 338 with 225s and 250s at similar speeds

Kid

My issue is the lack of sectional density. I believe the 338's have better SD giving better penetration. You know your big brown bear was very heavy muscled and big heavy boned. Although, I wonder at times if to much is made of SD because when is there to much made of penetration?

For confidence,the 400s will also do a good job.I promise you that 300 will smack'em down too !

I have yet to see a bulletproof bear. From 243’s to 378’s and 416’s.

Watching this thread closely as I just ordered a Ruger yesterday as well as dies, bullets, cases, a 1x4 Leupold and 1 box of ammo to use as a comparison to my reloads.
Very little data out there!
Safari, are you sure that the Ruger case has the same capacity as the Remington? If so there is a ton of data out there for the Rem.

Hip

Swift, Nosler, and Hornady have load info, unfortunately not Barnes. Hopefully the new reloading manual that they are working on will.
Ty at Barnes put me in contact with someone that had done pretty extensive work with the 416 Ruger. The guy wrote for a European Sporting magazine. And another gentleman from either this forum or 24hr sent me the same info.
I used his load for 350 grain TSX, though backed off a grain and a half off his max. Which could have been my powder lot, or rifle. I have not yet run the load over a chronograph, but hopefully within the next week or so, weather and time permitting.

From the Swift manual, the Ruger is within 5 grains water capacity than the Remington. Which according to the Nosler book loading both with 400 grain bullets, there is a 4.2 grain difference. The Remington being larger of the two.

Idmay,
Thanks, I have the Hornady book. I'll try Swifts and Noslers websites. I just tried Hodgdens site and they had no data.

Hip

Sorry I haven’t had a chance yet to get some load data to you.

79 RL 15 Hor. brass, 215 GM 350TSX gives me 2510fps from a 23" barrel

I usually do not post loads as it seems to always cause an issue.

My 416 Ruger Guide Gun produces the following:

300gr TSX 83.5gr RL15, Fed 215 = 2640fps
Accuracy is fantastic!! Clover Leafs at 100yds
350gr TSX 80gr RL 15, Fed 215 = 2470fps
Accuracy is still at an inch at 100yds

My rifle shows no pressure with these loads.

There is some data on www.realguns.com

Hip

Ive built several of them on Mauser actions and used the 300 gr. bullets to test fire, but never shot any game with it, if I want less metal out there I'll use a smaller bore and gain penetration and SD...The 40s are ment for DG and 400 gr. bullets. just my opine for myself..

For BC, I would recommend 350 grain bullets, e.g. the 350TTSX BC of .444. It's sectional density, 0.289, is fine for buffalo because it is a monolithic. It is functionally equivalent to lead bullets over .300 BC. I would choose a 12" twist if I wanted to use 400 grain bullets or 450 grain bullets.

Estimated velocities? From Real Guns I would expect about 2600, possibly 2650, fps with 350grains. That is around 5200-5500ft# and should be maxed-out.

The 416Ruger is surely a 5000 ft# rifle.

True Tanzan, I think in terms of cup and core, partitions, and bonded core bullets..

I wouldn't run out and sell my 416 Rem for a 416 Ruger, but if I was new rifle shoping for a big bore Id opt for the .416 Ruger as its such a well designed round, shorter, and makes up to a somewhat more compact rifle..I just like everything about the Ruger..Also it comes in the Ruger African model that the best rifle to come down the pike since the pre 64 Win...

Agreed...control feed the all stainless, integral bases rings...standard action and a resaonable weight fdoe carry and reciil !