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Alf

My rifle shot 124 .5oo Sh�ler no problem (They where tight to chamber)
The Headspace Gauges that I checked the chamber with where .500 Jeffery CIP standard from Triebel About 25 degrees
I had some of my fired cases measured with Zeiss calypso instruments and the fired cases had a 25,16 degree angel.
A toolmaker and gun compadre did that for me.


ALF Let me get this straight:

Old Original Jeffery = 12,63 semi angle

New CIP Jeffery = 25

Old 12,7X70 Sch�ler(RWS) = 23,54

Old Gecado Sch�ler = 47

I have not had my hands on the .500 Jeffery from Wolfgang Romey The famous hybrid with the 68 degre angle

This is one strange caliber

Cheers,

Andr�

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ALF

Now I know what semi angle means thank
I know that we have been over this ground before and eventually it will stay in my head

Cheers,

Andr�
Big bore apprentice

Alf,

Thanks! You are truly a Gentleman and a Scholar!

ASS_CLOWN

Alf,
Mine's cut with a manson, but to clymer specs... and i've had zero trouble in that regard... of course, It helps that Dave(ch4d), Dave(manson), and Casey (pacnor) all had direct communications with me, so that I knew which reamer casey had, and I called the Daves to make certain my dies would match. And yup, the neck angles "pop" after shooting... then again, all virgin brass does this, in almost all chambers..

Scott,
your 416 pics are exactly what I see in the ruger and the cz 416 rigby, on virgin brass... In fact, the taylor does this to a lesser degree... I don't know if this is the case in all rigbys, but the ones i've worked with (ruger and cz) do this

jeffe

Funny how virgin brass changes when it is shot. Strange, wonder if it has anything to do with brass thickness and material flow characteristics through female forming dies? Of course pressure forming (read fireforming) doesn't have to contend with material flow charateristics through a female forming die.

I got mighty lucky finding those 416 Rigby cartridges during a "Google" search.

ASS_CLOWN

Scottie, you have posted so much made up reloading data and stories about rifles which you "owned" but never had even seen, and about guns you were building (4 bore and custom action) that never existed, that no one can tell truth from falsehood in your posts.

Add to that the screwed up computer program you try to use to disprove chronographed load results, and the safesting thing for all of us to do is categorize everything you post as FALSE.

Dan,

Your inability to read has never ceased to amaze me. I did not say that Raymondo did not get the muzzle velocities he claimed, quite the contrary, the software says that they are inline with reality. Check my posts, or better yet have someone you know that CAN READ do so for you!

All I said was that Ray's "mild" load was near or over maximum SAAMI spec (actually I said it was around 64 ksi which would put it over the top).

Do you have ANY proof that I have lied about owning any of the guns I claimed to own? No, you don't do you! Pathetic, truly pathetic.

I came clean too, I own a Remignton 742 in 30-06, a RRA AR15 in 50 Beowulf, and a Daisy Champion 99 BB gun (hey compressed loads are the only loads for the old Daisy ).

I was being serious about that 416 Rigby case stuff. I mean it was serious bit of luck that I found exactly what I needed to support my statements to you on a "Google" search! I mean it was simply f__ing amazing!!!



Can you tell me what is so very different about reloading a 375 H&H magnum as compared to reloading a 30-06? I just cannot see any fundamental differences besides the obviously larger powder charge, case volume, and bullets.

ASS_CLOWN

Scott, you have sunk back to age 12 level.

Enjoy!

I have not sunk back to age 12! I did not start any of this name calling and whining, those that did are the individuals acting like 12 year olds.

ASS_CLOWN

Scott,
just my advice... you can chunk it or not...

Answer anything you like, anyway you like, but address BEHAVIORS not people. If a person says " I don't believe your because of X" then address X, and don't call the person names...

it's not as viscerally satisfying, but it does allow for conversation, even arguement, without it turning into a broadside of insults...

Or, as my Momma told me.. let the other guy swing first, then kick his behinnie

jeffe

jeffeosso,

Good advice. I am having some trouble though identifing where I "swung first" as you put it.

ASS_CLOWN

Scotty, tell use about your .405 Wincheter model 95.

Or was that fictional as well?

And how was it that you ordered but never owned a 500 AHR? You even posted about loading for it, velocities, etc.

Perhaps you can let us know how to differetiate between your factual and fictional posts.

Dan,

I want to say right up front this is NO attack against anyone. What this is, is my observation as to the behaviour of some posters.

I sincerely believe you feel all my posts are fiction. So why do you care what I post? My observation has been that you (and there are MANY others so I do not mean to appear to be singling you out) disbelieve everything I post. It is either a blatant lie, something I found in a book, something I found in a "Google" search, etc, etc, etc.

You claim that you know more than I do, and this is bared out by your innate ability to point at that ALL my posts are falsehoods. This is undoubtedly due to the fact, that you are an expert in big bores and I am a pretender.

So again I ask why do you care what I post?

You and a few others have done a superb job of calling me out. I came clean about my extremely limited knowledge of firearms, reloading, and hunting.

Just so you recall. I have a Remington M742 (30-06), a Rock River Arms (Alexander Arms) AR15 in 50 Beowulf, and a Daisy Champion 99 (my very first and only BB gun). I have explained the 500 AHR fiasco to you multiple times, and the fact that ALL my load data is based on a pathetic (that is what you think of it isn't it?) software program. The truth is that I was simply jealous of all the experts here, who has so much more neat stuff, reloading experience, hunting experience, etc than I ever will! I just wanted to fit in with the expert crowd. I guess I thought I could fool all you experts, which only goes to show just how pathetic and ignorant I was/am. I know I am pathetic, but I am trying to be helpful and live within my limits of knowledge and experience.

I have explained myself, and now in all humility ask for at least tolerance if you cannot provide forgivness.

Thus I live with my handle as a badge of the shame I have brought upon myself, with this pathetic, childish, behaviour of mine, the imitation of an expert big bore shooter.

ASS_CLOWN

Just a couple of thoughts for what they're worth from someone who has been loading rifle ammunition for some time.

1) When I am testing a new load and anything out of the ordinary happens I quite shooting that particular load combination until I figure it out...I think continuing to shoot loads that were difficult to extract, without knowing why, is reckless and potentially dangerous not only to the shooter but to those around him.

2) There has been a lot of discussion about what caused the difficult extraction but I don't think anyone has suggested backing off a few grains on the powder weight and reshooting to see what happens. There is an old expression that when you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras (unless you are in Africa )

I hope these comments aren't taken as a knock on anyone but simply as words of caution to think about.

ASS CLOWN,
Your clown ass is showing once again, Two loads that you quoted as hot turn out to be 1/2 gr. under max according to several posts on this forum and seveal quotes from reloading books...

Bottom line is your just misinformed a LOT, and have a bad habit of quoting from Lord knows where, but you sure need to take a look at some of your quotes and learn how to work that mickey mouse machine that eating your lunch...

Scott, please do not play the victim when you are the perpetrator.

George,

It was just a bit of luck, I did a "Google" search and found that picture. They were both loaded cartridges. Besides your 600 OK is way bigger than any of my little rifles so you can take comfort in that knowledge.



Ray,



Just so you understand, since you seem not to, the MAX load data published in a Reloading Manual is the HOTTEST load that the particular company writing the Reloading manual feels a reloader should use. So the load you posted was, is, and forever will be HOT! Sorry man, but you screwed up, deal with. YOUR LOAD IS NOT MILD! While we are speaking of the publish MAX loads in Reloading manuals, I once blew three primers out of three makes of brass (Remington, Federal, and Winchester) while remain a FULL grain below the MAXIMUM published load data! That was a 308 Win. So the MAXIMUM publish load may well be to HOT for your rifle. This likely explains why the reloading manuals tell people to start at the published STARTING LOADS (typically ~ 10% below the published MAX load) and carefully/slowly work their way up to the MAX load. These same reload manuals will also tell the reloader to NEVER exceed the published MAX load.



Thus ends Reloading 101 for today.



Dan,



What have I done to deserve these comments. Besides pointing at the NOW obviuos FACT that Ray posted a near Max load and called it "mild".



ASS_CLOWN

Yea...OK...Whatever

I believe that everyone who has reloaded to any extent has found that every rifle is an entity unto itself. That is one of the reasons that factory loadings were so easy to best, they are (were) loaded for the lowest common denominator in strength of action commonly used for that cartridge, perhaps not so much today.



In the peak of my reloading days, I quickly learned to not share loads, as few were willing to use the common sense needed for load developement, in fact, many added a grain and called it a hot load! In fact, I refused to share ammo unless I could personally verify operation in the intended firearm.



I would not just take a recommended load, stuff it up, and shoot it, without some pressure testing along the way. In many years of shooting, I only whacked one gun, I think someone put a 243 into a box of bullets it didn't belong in, and I didn't catch it in time.



270's and 06's used to have quite a varience in chambers, I'm sure todays factory guns are the same. When dealing with some of the more exotic rounds, varience is a common thing, I'm pretty sure.



Long story short, I would never take a load from anywhere, stuff a round, and so hunting. I don't care if it came from Elmer himself!

George,

I don't get your post. You seem to think I have a 416 Rigby. Everyone on this forum has stated that I do not, and I agreed with them. So since I don't have a 416 Rigby, just like everyone said, I found those pictures on a "Google" search. These guys were right about me an all the guns I claimed to have. That is why I came clean and posted by gun collection, remember the Remington M742 (30-06), the RRA (Alexander Arms) 50 Beowulf, and the Daisy Champion 99 BB gun.

8mm or more,

Be careful, I fear you are treading on thin ice. I agree with your advise 200%, by the way. Because of this agreement with your advise, I posted the results of a simulation of some posted loads to share the relatively high pressures these so-called "mild" loads were more than likely operating at. This is what happens, so I say again, be careful.

ASS_CLOWN

George, Scott...
The pics posted, where they are from, as what I see in the rigby... in fact, i kinda like the "futuristic" look of the shoulder after it's been fired... kinda makes the wsm line look conservative!!


anyone that takes loads right off the internet and jumps on them is a fool, as George said, ALWAYS back off....

jeffe

Dan,

I was speaking of the past. Specifically, at the time I can clean. Since then I have owned the 45-90 and the 500 Jeffery. Why, don't you believe me? I posted pictures (including myself), I posted load development results, etc, etc, etc. This is precisely why I do not understand your constant badgering. On the one hand you insist that I post proof of what I claim, and when I do, you simply deny it and call me a liar. I see little point in discussing anything further with you, as you seem convinced (no matter what proof I provide to the contrary) that I am a lying SOB.

ASS_CLOWN

Scott,
You have been caught lying so many times, there is no way you could redeem yourself.

Posting a photo of yourself holding a rifle proves only that you were holding a rifle. We don't even know that it's a .500 Jeffery; perhaps it's that .416 Rigby you claimed to own.
Let's see the barrel stamp showing that it is a .500 Jeffery. Let's see the muzzle end of the rifle with something of known size next to it.

Better yet, why not meet up with Matt Norman, and show him the rifle (and your receipt).

I can't believe that people were responding to your posts as if you were someone other than a pathological liar.

CPS

The Boy Who Cried Wolf

There was a Shepherd Boy who tended his sheep at the foot of a mountain near a dark forest. It was lonely for him, so he devised a plan to get a little company. He rushed down towards the village calling out "Wolf, Wolf," and the villagers came out to meet him. This pleased the boy so much that a few days after he tried the same trick, and again the villagers came to his help. Shortly after this a Wolf actually did come out from the forest. The boy cried out "Wolf, Wolf," still louder than before. But this time the villagers, who had been fooled twice before, thought the boy was again lying, and nobody came to his aid. So the Wolf made a good meal off the boy's flock.

A liar will not be believed, even when telling the truth.

Come on Guys..
he's been an ass, and claims it... ithnk he's got the 500... I certainly hope he does, as it will educate him alot on the monsters vs the 30's...

As you know, when he spews BS, I am usually an engineer on the train to tell him so.....

Besides, even if he doesn't have it, he's at least reigned in what he talks about... and let's let him tell us about his new experiences..

besides, i'be meen playing with mine, in the shop, and I can't wait to get it back out in the field. And you guys talking about more 500s, I am itching to get mine back in the field.. perhaps in a week

jeffe

I really want to hear more about the .550 Magnum. It is probably the best all around big bore. If some of the premium bullet vendors will offer bullets for it as a standard item, then it shoudl take the lead as the largest practical big bore.

500,

the magnum and express should be fantastic rounds. Lots of bullet makers are talking.. and when the guns are shooting, and we have verifed loads... well, youknow, nothing succeeds like success!!



jeffe

500grains, and jeffe... after seeing the 550 magnum and express this last weekend... I agree it truly is a practical fatty. The next step up, the 585 and 600, have issues that outweigh the 550s by far. Practical weight, velo, and recoil in these two just doesnt chime like it does in the 550s, and I have a feeling you are going to see some serious penetration from the 550s. I cant wait to give Neals .550 magnum a good ring out.