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I've got my .458 win mag project shooting 5/8" at 100 yards with the 325gr hornady bullet. This gun was built specifically for me to get into big bores and see what I think. I'm hooked. The goal is a short handi rifle that can confidently take anything in the world. And still shoot as flat as possibly. I believe the 416 family is the way to go, more specifically the ruger. I understand the 400 grain bullet is heavy enough and goes fast enough to be an honest elephant gun. I've got a box of beartooth 340 gr lead bullets that should be great for plinking. And barnes makes a 300grain bullet with a B.C.of .298 that should fly fast and flat. If 400gr bullets can be pushed to 2450fps, a 300gr bullet should go a lot faster. I want a very short gun, so the 416 ruger should be good. That's the cartridge part. If ruger would introduce their guide gun in the .416 ruger I would go with that. I'll wait and hope. IF they do introduce it in the 416 ruger the plan would go like this. Get the gun, throw away the brake, new recoil pad, bed the stock, trigger work, hand lap the barrel, 11 degree crown, checker the stock, and see what kind of accuracy I get. If it just isn't good enough, replace the barrel with a Lilja or similar, that should fix it. Is there anything I'm missing here? Thanks. Sand Creek November 29 1864 | ||
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Why don't you have something built just the way you want it? Political correctness offends me. | |||
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for all the trouble frank why not find yourself a M70 in 300, 7rm, 338 wm and rebarrel. it may save you dollars to have it done this way or find a good mauser 98 and give it the same treatment. you could mess with the stock to get it fitting you correctly and have a new one made or put a mcmillan on it for a synthetic job. sounds like a fun project. | |||
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Buy a Ruger RSM (the real one) in 416 Rigby. It's a far better rifle than anything Ruger makes today and will work 100% perfect out of the box. A real Ruger RMS (on top) in 375 H&H. Real RSMs were dropped as the bean counters have taken over at Ruger.  | |||
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Get ahold of Michael458 here on AR and order a 416 B&M. its just what you are looking for. http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html | |||
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For what you are describing, Cross has it nailed. Get in touch with Michael458 and talk to him about the B&M guns in 416. | |||
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To address a couple of points all at once. I definitely want stainless, no blued steel. I will cut the barrel down to 20 inches. That may cause a velocity issue with cases meant for a 24 or 26 inch barrel. I'd prefer something that has at least some factory ammo available. I'll contact michael458 and see what he has to say. Thanks again. Sand Creek November 29 1864 | |||
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Sounds like 416 B&M is for you. They are beautiful, reliable rifles. The main reason for substituting a 416 Ruger would be to cut costs in half or more. For bullets there will eventually be a CEB extended range non-con, and at the moment Barnes has a 350 grain TTSX with a BC of .444, which is not too shabby. A Ruger Alaskan should shoot the latter at 2550-2600 fps, even in the 20" barrel. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Ruger made a run of 375 Ruger hawkeye Alaskans with a laminate stock in right and left hand. Not sure if they did them in 416 Ruger, but if they did, you might consider one. All Alaskans are stainless as far as I know. The B&M is cool, but being able to find factory rounds in a pinch is cooler, and the the B&M doesn' t beat the Ruger at all. Not sure how common 416 Ruger rounds are in Alaska or Africa. The 416 rem and rigby are probably still a lot more common. Another option to consider is the Win Model 70 Classic Stainless. You can get yourself any of the standard belted mag rifles and easily convert it to a long mag simply by rebarreling, removing the spacer behind the follower, and trimming the bolt stop/ejector. The 416 Rem only has about a 1 to 2% velocity advantage over the Ruger, so I would still be in favour of the 416 Ruger in the SS/laminate factory Alaskan package. Good luck! Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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Yep, gonna be an echo here, take a look at the B&M rifles and catridges on the website, sounds like you could have what you want built easier on a Win M70 than doin the remodel on the Ruger. | |||
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I disagree that the 400 gr. .458 bullet is an elephant bullet..I'm a firm beliver in 500 gr. solids for elephant and softs for buffalo with any 45 caliber. Just my personal opinnion, but many if not most PHs and African elephant hunters agree with that. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, he was saying that a 400gr in a 416 is an honest Ele gun. Rod -------------------------------- "A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong" Bob Hagel | |||
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Originally By frank4570
D/R Hunter Correct bullet placement, combined with the required depth of bullet penetration, results in an anchored animal... | |||
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For plains game, buffalo, and everything short of elephant the .416 350 grain TTSX with a .444BC should get 2550-2650 fps from a 20" barrel 416Ruger. CEB also has an "Extended Range" projectile in the makings. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I talked with the Ruger folks at SHOT and they assured me that they will have the stainless guide gun out in 416 within a couple of months. That would be my first choice if I was in your situation. Second would be to re-barrel an FN or MK X with a stainless bbl and add a stock I liked. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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no kidding? that is definitely the gun then I just need to wait for it. thanks. Sand Creek November 29 1864 | |||
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They told me that who ever made the change on the 375 Alaskan to the Guide gun "forgot" to include the 416 ---- but that it will be done very soon. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I think you will love it. It's also good to hear that Ruger is not abandoning one of their two great new cartridges, the 416Ruger. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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