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Originally posted by Warrior:
Gerard,

Pathetic post !!!
Praat jy met my?



Warrior

Yes, that is a terrible picture of Warrior. Why he would post such an image of himself is a mystery.

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Originally posted by Rat Motor:
Yes, that is a terrible picture of Warrior. Why he would post such an image of himself is a mystery.

Do you think Warrior was implying Gerard has some cognitive deficiencies? And in the previous photogram, a provincial outlook?

You should not fight you. At the end of the wires are going to ruin .Stop the squabbles now. Is an order of a member pissed.


Oscar.

Warrior, as I said on another occasion, silly words, deaf ears. Follow my advice .

Oscar.

Being that the initial question was "Experience with Norma PH ammo on buffalo", I'll talk about my experience with Norma PH ammo on Cape buffalo...

- Client shot 2 buffs with .375 H&H Norma PH, 350 grains.

- 1 buff shot in the chest, front shot 30-40m, soft nose, then spined in shoulder as it turned, solid.

- 1 buff shot almost broadside, heart shot 30m, soft nose.

Recovered soft from buff one, 75-80% retention. Recovered solid broke shoulder/spine, no visible deformation.

I'm now using this ammo in my .375. Had to adjust sights elevation quite a bit from my standard 300gr settings, but both softs and solids hit at the same point. Rifle zeroed at 120m with open sights (ghost ring).

I'm perfectly satisfied with the Norma PH/Woodleigh combo in the .375 H&H version. Slower speeds match the bullet construction in that particular caliber.

Philip

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
I have used woodleighs 300grain .333cal bullets on african game.
Work they do allright, but the bullets we recovered were shatted.
I could only wish for a little thicker jacket.
Right now Woodleigh is the only manufacture of .333 Jeffery bullets .

Jens,

I am sure Ken Stewart can make you some as well.
Ken Stewart can be contacted at 015-289 9401 or you can write to him at stewbullets@mweb.co.za).
He makes custom bullets on order for clients as well as for rare calibers.
He also makes cartridge cases of rare calibers as required.
He can also produce cases necked up or down to any wildcat caliber you want.

I tested some of his bullets, and a friend of mine is using his .423 bullets in his Hi-Performer version with the thicker Jackets, and they are definitely tougher than the Woodleighs. In the thinner jackets though they break off at the rather deep cannelure groove in some calibers. My suggestion is order them without cannelures up to 9,3 caliber as you do not need the cannelure at this level of recoil. Please take note, the 'standard' version is meant for 'soft game' so the bullet can open reliably. and the Hi-Performer is meant for 'big game'. We have had the experience that the Hi-Performer do not open up on 'soft game'.

Beyond the 9,3 you must go for the Hi-Performer with the cannelure to avoid the bullet from moving deeper into the case. Ken Stewart bullet is very much like the pioneering bonded Bitteroot bullet that was considered as one of the best of that genre of bullet design. I am not sure if Bill Steigers of Bitteroot bullets is still making bullets, as he may have retired.

Hope this is of some help to you.

Warrior

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3. You have to agree that Rhino and Stewart bullets are just the ticket.

Macifej,
I will bet on it that Warrior scurried off to Google "cognitive deficiencies" and "provincial outlook". You are most generous in your assumption about him. Do you think............... naaah, he doesnt have it.

Re: YOUR PREFFERED BULLETS FOR .375 HnH ON CAPE BUFF
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 06:57:05 AM »

WL44.

1) Never, ever initiate a buff with a solid. no never. From experience, a buff will last over 20 minutes with a hole from a .375 round nosed solid through the heart. A flat nosed one will alter matters quite a bit but still. The example quoted is from the Zim PH proficiency exam 2006. I was still Chief examiner then. (Roy Ludik is taking over). It's not the first I have seen, but it was a well witnessed and documented event, and the buff was professionally dissected afterwards (and photographed by Dave Christiensen) to see what went wrong. I have been charged by a buff that took a .375 solid through both lungs the day before. Solids are for elephant (and perhaps Rhino).

2) There are a host of good bullets that will work just fine. I have used RWS TUG's- the new ones are pathetic. The Nosler Gold were great. In SA you have a choice of Swift A frame (one of my two top recomendations to American Clients- the other being Barnes TSX) and also good bullet makers like GS Custom and old Ken Stuart up in Pietersberg (oops sorry Polikwane). Ken has made just about all the softs I have personally used on buffalo in the last decade. Makes me steel jacketed, bonded core flat nosed bullets. Why do I use Ken when I recomend Swift and Barnes to Clients? Well, I can get a re-supply when ever I want. They work, and they shoot to point of aim at 50m when the rifle is spot on at 10m with the woodleigh solids I use. And lastly, I am tired of working up new loads - I have what works and am getting too old to try improving on a winning formular!

Don Heath

Shakari on Ken Stewart:-

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/...es_for_P#Post3557873

Warrior

John Dugmore and Ken Stewart, Maun Botswana, Oct 2006



Ken Stewart, NFD Kenya, 1960.s
3 male lions that charged Ken simultainiously, all shot by Ken with his Mauser 8x57, the last lion shot from abowe in the spine (the lion in front), distance less than 3 paces..

Can someone please give me the reference to the date and time that Woodleigh bullets stopped being effective in the killing of game, somehow I did not get the memo!

As to Stewart bullets:

Whilst I have the greatest respect for Ken and have used brass and cases by him whilst he was living in Pietersburg. At a time of shortages especially with old guns and near obsolete calibers his brass was a saving grace of many an old rifle.

I still have some of his brass that he made up up specially for me and I still use after many years.

My personal experience with his original bullets, made when he was still living in Ofcolaco was disappointing. It was basically a CUP and core Corbin type setup!

Those bullets were not consistant in weight or construction, some were even off round and overall accuracy when fired from some rifles and calibers were not up to standard.

In calibers like the 318 WR the 333 Jeffery and 416 Rigby they worked to a fashion but for smaller calibers where long distance accuracy was important the bullets fell short.

For a time they were for many of us the only source of some old near obsolete calibers so we used them.

I dont know what his current production is like but would add that Woodleigh's are still in my book at least a gold standard when it comes to many calibers that I shoot !

As I say I have yet to get the memo on the date and time Woodleigh ceased to kill animals!

I know of many hunters, some very serious trophy collectors who swear by Woodleighs!

Btw a 535 gr soft from Woodleigh fired from a 500 Jeffery makes an awfully big hole in whatever you point it at...... this I have seen first hand !

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Can someone please give me the reference to the date and time that Woodleigh bullets stopped being effective in the killing of game, somehow I did not get the memo!

AGS = African Grand Slam.

Here is an example of what Speer did with their Speer AGS Soft bullet - interesting to see how they attempted to arrest expansion:



Warrior

Hi ALF,
Nice to have you back!

Husky

Some results obtained/experienced by Andy:-

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=661108778#661108778

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=239103778#239103778

Warrior

Which is why the barrel expansion of the Speer AGS is above the limits for use in any double rifle where the barrels are soldered together....

NB...the barnes banded solids aand the Woodleigh Solids both cause virtually identical barrel expansion. The Barnes TSX caused more barrel expansion than the solids and the ammount of barrel expansion built up measurably over 5 rounds

Building the equipment to measure this for a new loading Manual was fun...and very informative! Not what I expected at all.

Just shoot the buff with Woodleigh FMJs and you will be all right with little problem of over expansion.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Just shoot the buff with Woodleigh FMJs and you will be all right with little problem of over expansion.

I agree.It's not as if the FMJ's will have an easy time zipping through.IMO,most of their energy is deposited in the buff and therefore act like softs.A FMJ solid with a large diameter would be a very good choice.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Just shoot the buff with Woodleigh FMJs and you will be all right with little problem of over expansion.

The 320 gr Wdl FMJ has performed very well in Michael's tests. Little wonder the buffalo hunters are so fond of this bullet in 9,3 calibers, including the doubles.

Warrior