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.470 Capstick what caliber ??
.470 Capstick what caliber ??
Is the .470 capstick a .475" bullet ??
03 August 2004, 12:10
GeorgeSYes.
George
03 August 2004, 16:26
500grainsSome of the bullet makers make them in .474".
03 August 2004, 17:45
Nishoba01Quote:
Yes.
George
Why the heck doesn't the bullet maker just call it the .475 Capstick then? Quite a few bullet makers don't give the actuall caliber number for their product, is this standard practice?
Thanks
Larry A. < !--color-->
03 August 2004, 18:02
500grainsSince when were cartridges properly names?
470 nitro = .474/.475
460 weatherby = .458
600 nitro express = .620
270 winchester = .277
350 Remington Magnum = .358
Need I go on?
Thanks folks I got confused after looking at the woodleigh catleouge...there was heaps of different .470 cal bullets but all slightly different.
04 August 2004, 20:42
KarlLarry you can call a cartridge whatever you want.
The numerical designation varies between anything like bullet calibre and year of manufacture (like the 30-06), velocities, original case for wildcats(as in 416-338 cal) powder loads as in the 30-30, and the age of the gunmakers dog if he likes.
The worst for me are cartridges like the 404 jeffery with a .423" bullet,and the 425 Westley richards around .435". I checked woodleighs website to get them right just then.
Karl.
12 February 2008, 15:34
chuck375Hi I have a CZ 550 in 375 H&H and am thinking of having it converted to .470 Capstick. I noticed Woodleigh doesn't make any bullets in .475 caliber. Any idea why?
Chuck
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
12 February 2008, 15:43
Conchuck375,
The Woodleigh projectiles listed for the 470Nitro and 476Westley Richards are the correct projectiles. If you want true confusion ... go 40cal ... variations galore between 0.408" and 0.412" in both projectiles and barrels.
Cheers...
Con
12 February 2008, 16:00
ShortandFatquote:
Originally posted by PC:
Thanks folks I got confused after looking at the woodleigh catleouge...there was heaps of different .470 cal bullets but all slightly different.
PC, I'm pretty sure woodleigh does that because they have the crimp groove set at different heights for different calibers
I'm sure I've seen it in many of their calibers, 458, 470, 510, a few different weights, but if you look closely I think you will find the crimp grove is set at different heights
12 February 2008, 16:39
Bent Fossdalquote:
Originally posted by Nishoba01:
Why the heck doesn't the bullet maker just call it the .475 Capstick then?
Probably to indicate that it uses the same bullets as the old .470 NE, to set it appart from the .475 NENo2, which had .483 bullets.
The correct term "Caliber", is the distance between the rifles, or the smallest radie inside the barrel. Of course bullets have to be larger to fill out the lands.
So the caliber is .470, the bullet measures 474.
Same with .300, bullet is .308. .270, bullet is .277.
Now the .460 is another cup of tea, as the caliber is .450, bullet .458 - and the propaganda sircus name it .460 to be bigger, special, something new.'
The .280 is also a result of the propaganda sircus. The true 7mm bullet have a diameter of 7,2mm, aka .284. The CALIBER is .275(5), wich is why the 7x57 was called .275 H&H. But .280 is american fancy-money-sircus.
The .404 probably was the caliber when the bullets meassured far less than todays .423 bullets.
And so on......
Bent Fossdal
Reiso
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Norway
12 February 2008, 17:46
jeffeosso450 NE for the .458 bore .. it at least showed that the bore was .450 and the groove was .458
but in the 470, the bore is smaller and the groove is .475 ... but 465 was another beastie...
and the 470 NE is why i named the .475x2.55RUM improved the 470 AR
jeffe
23 March 2008, 00:54
chuck375Ok, so since the 470 Capstick is truly a .475 caliber round. Which Woodleigh bullet if any can I use?
Chuck
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
23 March 2008, 01:24
333_OKHquote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
Since when were cartridges properly names?<br /><br />470 nitro = .474/.475<br />460 weatherby = .458<br />600 nitro express = .620<br />270 winchester = .277<br />350 Remington Magnum = .358<br /><br />Need I go on?
500--
my favorite is the 256 Newton....aka .264"
23 March 2008, 01:48
jeffeosso.474 or .475 bullet, doesn't matter.
23 March 2008, 03:14
GeorgeSquote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
Ok, so since the 470 Capstick is truly a .475 caliber round. Which Woodleigh bullet if any can I use?
Chuck
Don't use their "softs" at Capstick velocities. I had one flatten completely on a Cape buffalo.
George
23 March 2008, 06:42
chuck375George, so what would you recommend as the soft point of choice for the 470 Capstick, the 500g Swift A-Frame? What about solids?
thanks,
Chuck
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
23 March 2008, 11:38
470 MbogoYou'll never have any problems with the Swift A-Frame. I drive them to 2500 fps in my 470 Mbogo and they perform perfectly.
Take good care,
Dave
23 March 2008, 19:30
chuck375Thanks 470 Mbogo, do you shoot any lighter bullets in your 470? Since my youngest son was the beneficiary of my tried and true .270, I'll be looking for a nice 400g bullet I can drive at 2700 fps for mule deer and elk. The only 400g .475 caliber bullets I've found are Hawk and Hornday pistol bullets.
Chuck
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
23 March 2008, 19:33
GeorgeSchuck,
The Swift A-Frame is my 'soft' of choice. I've been using them for years.
As for solids, I don't use them as much, but I would suggest a monolithic brass of copper bullet with a wide meplat.
George
11 April 2008, 03:47
M_MarshallI'm thinking about having a big bore pistol built for me in either 458 Lott or the 470 Capstick. I would be doing it as a fun gun, and not hunting with it. So, proper bullets are not as large of a concern as having plinking bullets available would be. I know there are a few for 458.
Would the 470 Capstick be at a disadvantage then with reloading costs? I'm trying to decide if it would be worth it in the long run to chamber it for the added "oooh, aah" factor. Is anyone making jacketed .475 bullets which are competitively priced against 458 bullets? If I can do it for roughly around the same price, I would rather go with the larger caliber. Thanks.
11 April 2008, 05:51
500grainsYou can shoot Hornady or Speer 400 grain .475" jacketed hollow points for cheap shooting from a 470 capstick. In a 458 Lott, you can shoot 300, 350 or 400 grain 45-70 bullets for cheap shooting. The cost difference is not enough to worry about. Just get the caliber that strikes your fancy.
11 April 2008, 06:13
GrandpasezThe reason he didn't call it a 475 is
it had already been done as the 475 OKH.
O'Neill, Keith, Hopkins.........In WW2
era before he was born. Kinda did a Jamison,
borrow it and say it's your idea first,
then patent it, list it with
SAAMI,etc..........
MZEE WA SIKU
11 April 2008, 10:08
MacifejPC - You might get one of the guys to "loan" you a few of these........
12 April 2008, 06:19
M_MarshallOk, I think I am leaning towards the 470. I also found out that Beartooth makes 325-420gr bullets for the 475 Linebaugh that look like they would work at .476 diameter.
Now, the only 470 Capstick brass I can find is around $2+ per case from Quality Cartridge. I found Rem 375HH brass for around $0.56 a case, so it sounds like the best way to do it would be to buy the Rem brass and fireform. Is anyone else out there selling the 470 brass at a good price like 375HH? Thanks.
12 April 2008, 06:23
MacifejI would NOT!! use a .476" bullet and I wouldn't like to use a .474". Buy the right chow for your rifle and be happy with superior results.
12 April 2008, 07:11
capowardquote:
Originally posted by 333_OKH:
quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
Since when were cartridges properly names?<br /><br />470 nitro = .474/.475<br />460 weatherby = .458<br />600 nitro express = .620<br />270 winchester = .277<br />350 Remington Magnum = .358<br /><br />Need I go on?
500--
my favorite is the 256 Newton....aka .264"
Ah…Newton cartridge designations are easy as Chas Newton designed and designated them by caliber (i.e., bore diameter) as follows:
22 Newton = 0.220†bore – 0.228†groove
25 Newton = 0.250†bore – 0.257†groove
256 Newton = 0.256†bore – 0.264†groove
276 Newton = 0.276†bore – 0.284†groove
28 Newton* = 0.279†bore – 0.287†groove
30 Newton = 0.300†bore – 0.308†groove
33 Newton = 0.330†bore – 0.338†groove
35 Newton = 0.350†bore – 0.358†groove
40 Newton** = 0.400†bore – 0.408†groove
* The 28 Newton was originally designed with 0.280†bore and 0.288†groove utilizing the 30 Newton case. It was redesigned with above bore and groove due to bullet availability. Also with the redesign, a new case base diameter similar to the 9.3x63mm and the 10.75x68mm Mauser cases, cut to 2.5†length, was utilized as the 30 Newton cases was determined to be overbore in that caliber with the available powder of the day.
** The only three production rifles produced as 40 Newton’s used sleeved 405 Winchester' barrels with a 0.405†bore and 0.411†groove - this being a cost saving measure. That said, the Newton shop' slave rifle utilized during development had a 0.400†bore/0.408†groove barrel as originally designed.
One could almost say that the 30 Newton cartridge case was kind of “Gibbs’d†by Hornady and Ruger when they designed 375 Ruger cartridge.
Jim
Jim
"Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid"
John Wayne 12 April 2008, 13:31
gumboot458quote:
Originally posted by M_Marshall
Now, the only 470 Capstick brass I can find is around $2+ per case from Quality Cartridge. I found Rem 375HH brass for around $0.56 a case, so it sounds like the best way to do it would be to buy the Rem brass and fireform. Is anyone else out there selling the 470 brass at a good price like 375HH? Thanks.
Hornady Belted Basic 2.87" brass just about perfect . Midway and Cabelas had them for around 57 cents each last time I checked .....
.If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined ....
12 April 2008, 16:12
idahoelk101knowing my luck you guys will buy it all up before I buy some more, but the best price for this I have found is at Buffalo Arms, they bought out the last of the Bell brass when they stopped making it a few years ago:
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,6000.html12 April 2008, 17:14
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by hubel458:
Kinda did a Jamison,
borrow it and say it's your idea first,
then patent it, list it with
SAAMI,etc..........
that's kind of a crappy thing to do, aint it?
