I got a fantastic offer, and am now the proud owner of two five-packs each of 470NE softs & solids in boxes marked Westley Richards. The softs are in a green box, the solids in a purpish one. Are these too valuable to a collector to just take to Africa and shoot next spring?

Rich

Rich, I'll let you know on that...just as soon as you get back with the empty boxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rich

Give the WR guys in Montana a call. The softs, at least came in a green box a few years back. If it is current production, the "WR" headsamp is for Wolfgang Romey, not Westley Richards. The Wolfgang Romey ammunition is typically hotter than other production ammo. For a 470 NE, look for 2250 fps.

Yes, the boxes do have a sticker on the back that says "Made In Germany" covering some writing.

As long as it is not some pre-WWI exotic stuff that somebody will post something like "that stuff is worth $500 a round to cartridge collectors" when I post how good it shot.
I hate the pitchforks and torches crowd...
I'll check the sights, and save the rest for killing stuff in RSA mid-April.

Rich
Rich

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:
Rich

Give the WR guys in Montana a call. The softs, at least came in a green box a few years back. If it is current production, the "WR" headsamp is for Wolfgang Romey, not Westley Richards. The Wolfgang Romey ammunition is typically hotter than other production ammo. For a 470 NE, look for 2250 fps.

Jim:

Are you sure about that? My .470 was regulated with WR ammo and to duplicate the regulation with my handloads using the same 500 grain Woodleigh I had to load it way down to around 2025 fps. My .470 shoots right in the "Kynoch window" (2125 fps out of a 31 inch barrel). Most of the Federal stuff as well as the Hornday ammo shoots around 2150 fps out of a 24 inch barrel. I tried the Hornady ammo and it was going way to fast and would not regulate in my gun.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:


As long as it is not some pre-WWI exotic stuff that somebody will post something like "that stuff is worth $500 a round to cartridge collectors" when I post how good it shot.
I hate the pitchforks and torches crowd...


Rich
Rich

Yeah, I made a similar mistake. I know what a black duck tastes like instead of what one mounted on the wall looks like.

"Gee, that is a funny looking mallard."

Rich-


I've heard of exceptionally nasty velocity (PRESSURE!!)anomalies with WR packaged ammunition.

You might consider using them as book-ends or gun-case display dressing and rely on your good handloads instead.



Cheers
Tinker

I only use either factory ammunition bought off-the-shelf from a reputable, established and known gun shop through my rifles or my own assembled handloads.

So my answer is it depends on the source. If bought at auction I would pull for the bullets and the cases and then handload.

Sometimes "bargain" ammunition just isn't. And I can never understand paying $XXXX on a hunt yet despise paying XXc on ammunition!

I have a brown paper wrapped, green labeled brick of original Kynoch red and yellow boxed .470 Nitro Express ammunition loaded with solids and Cordite, originally sold at Marshall Field's in Chicago, back in the 1960s.

Pretty cool stuff.

10 rounds? Why bother shooting them?

Keep them for display or just throw them away!

You guys whine and whine about needing to handload shells to get a double to regulate so that the L and R are touching at a thousand yards (the left touching hole from the left barrel and the right touching hole from the right barrel) even at the cost of reduced velocity and effectiveness, and then ...

"I got these shells at a garage sale, and they look like crap, all corroded and such, but I'm sure they are good enough for Africa."

Is this you Rich? Et tu, Brute?

Dave: You might have accidentally opened a real can of worms. You state that Kynoch 470 was a 500 gr. bullet at 2125 out of a 31" barrel. That load seemed to be a "standard" for effectiveness on dangerous game. Now considering that that ammo would reach only about 1950-2000 in a 24" barreled rifle, therein lies the issue. If you shoot a 458 WM and get a 500 gr. bullet at 2000 fps, give or take a few, it is considered worthless, anemic, unsafe and ineffective for use on dangerous game, yet the 470 is in the same category. Does this mean; A: the 458 isn't really worthless, or B: The 470 is?

Hey Will,

ten round EACH of softs and solids, made less than ten years ago by WR. Enough to check regulation, five of each, then take the other half to RSA. Now, to find a 26' barreled CRF bolt rifle in 300 H&H to take along for less than I paid for my house!

Rich
just 106 days and a wake up.