Cogswell & Harrison Certus

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17 January 2020, 21:08

z1r

Cogswell & Harrison Certus

Interesting rifle I'd never seen before:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/853244622

https://revivaler.com/cogswell...rtus-big-game-rifle/

17 January 2020, 21:27

Biebs

Yes,and probably one of the ugliest rifles ever produced (back off, Blaser haters) :-)

18 January 2020, 00:03

z1r

quote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
Yes,and probably one of the ugliest rifles ever produced (back off, Blaser haters) :-)

Lol. Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Still, kinda interesting and easy to see why it didn't take off.

18 January 2020, 09:17

RIP

19 January 2020, 04:39

sambarman338

Yeah, pretty ugly - reminds me somehow of a Boys anti-tank gun.

But what about the action? The bolt handle is a long way to reach but I wonder if the action anticipates the 66 Mauser.

19 January 2020, 06:29

RIP

Yep, read the revivaler.com article.
They said the guy who invented that Mauser 66
(Walter Gehmann, "six decades" later)
was heavily inspired by the Certus patent of 1900,
whether he knew it or not.
I think the Certus inspired Blaser too.

20 January 2020, 06:39

sambarman338

quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
... I think the Certus inspired Blaser too.

What a recommendation?!

Yes, sorry RIP, I forgot to go back to the second link before posting. Maybe the arms of the African farmers were even shorter than Harrison expected. Not only could they not reach the bottom of their pockets but the bolt handle, a trigger guard and NE cartridge down the stock, was a (lack of

) bridge too far.

At least Walter Gehmann had the wisdom to put his magazine over the triggers, though his comb seems to come even closer to the bolt throw, inviting nasty accidents if the shooter's head isn't lifted.

20 January 2020, 06:47

crshelton

For a rifle it is ugly. but not bad for an air gun.

20 January 2020, 11:08

JBrown

I’m sure this is a silly question, but why are the stampings on the barrel upside down?

Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
_______________________

Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown

20 January 2020, 11:33

RIP

quote:
Originally posted by JBrown:
I’m sure this is a silly question, but why are the stampings on the barrel upside down?

That orientation is user friendly.
The rifleman looks down at the rifle in his hands just before firing, and the markings are right-side-up by his reading.
He can thus more easily make sure he knows what he is firing just before he lets loose with a volley.
Especially useful for obsessive-compulsive disorder sufferers who just gotta check one more time, even though they dang well know what it says on the barrel.

Rip ...

20 January 2020, 11:44

RIP

Alf,

Still for sale for $100,000:

https://www.gunsinternational....cfm?gun_id=101327349

How about the Certus as a wrong turn on the road to the .458 WIN ?
Trying (in 1900) to adapt a .450 NE 3.25" or .450 NFBP Express 3.25" to a bolt action rifle,
before the dawn of the .404 Jeffery in 1905,
assured the Certus was dead as a do do after 1905.
Then came the .425 WR, .505 Gibbs, .416 Rigby, .375 H&H, and finally the .458 WIN.
All roads lead to the .458 WIN.

Rip ...

20 January 2020, 21:21

RIP

Will sell for considerably less than $100,000 since the Kaiser did not own it, another one of those "450/400 EX." rifles, Certus by C&H:

Lessee, what the bid is on this .450 EX. that also has the "bush safety" in front of the bolt handle: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/853244622
Started off at about $531,
been stuck at $805 for a while,
do I hear $806 ?

20 January 2020, 22:07

Biebs

My friend has one....an odd piece if firearms history, for sure.

20 January 2020, 22:56

Todd Williams

Yep. An ugly gun for sure.

Rest assured Blazer fanboys. It'll take some doing to surpass this little slice of excrement.

20 January 2020, 23:13

Todd Williams

Well, I'll eat my words. I think this one does surpass it.

I really appreciate the all weather synthetic stock well appointed with leather inserts where the human body interfaces.

Looks "SMART" to me.

20 January 2020, 23:20

RIP

Those Blasers sure R 8 up with ugly.

"R8 SUCKCESS" model.
Yep, that sucks cess.
More marketing to the Blaser underacheivers,
appealing to their self opinions of being smart.
That is SO WRONG.
What's next ?
Let me guess. Punctuation will be added to model names:

"R8 SO RIGHT."
"R8 DO YOU THINK I'M SEXY?"
"R8 I THINK I'M SEXY!"

20 January 2020, 23:29

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
Those Blasers sure R 8 up with ugly.

"R8 SUCKCESS" model.
Yep, that sucks cess.
More marketing to the Blaser underacheivers,
appealing to their self opinions of being smart.
That is SO WRONG.
What's next ?
Let me guess. Punctuation will be added to model names:

"R8 SO RIGHT."
"R8 DO YOU THINK I'M SEXY?"
"R8 I THINK I'M SEXY!"

You guessed it RIP.

The "R8 Sexy". That is if you're into the gimp/S&M thing.

This version in full leather. That's right fanbois. Full leather!!

Can't tell if this is Jon or Mike.

You can't make this shit up. I dare you to even try!

20 January 2020, 23:38

RIP

That'll make a pro blush for sure.
Blaser model name: R8 SHAME

21 January 2020, 03:29

458Win

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams

Can't tell if this is Jon or Mike.

You can't make this shit up. I dare you to even try!

Biebs, if you keep dressing up like that, especially on MLK day, you will never be able to run for president.
Of anything

Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
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21 January 2020, 06:57

sambarman338

quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
... the Certus was dead as a do do after 1905...

Rip ...

Some do do I've seen on the sidewalk seems quite full of life.

(offered in aid of The Mission

)

21 January 2020, 07:19

eny

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Well, I'll eat my words. I think this one does surpass it.

I really appreciate the all weather synthetic stock well appointed with leather inserts where the human body interfaces.
Put a tatical scope, flash supresser, 20 round mag, bipod and chamber it in a worthless hunting cartridge and it would be all the rage

Looks "SMART" to me.

21 January 2020, 07:47

RIP

Too funny !
Phil worried about Biebs being ruined for politics,
Alf worried about Todd being able to find that pic of Biebs,
Paul on the wrong MISSION ...
I'll find a way to get the do do/doo doo worked into THE MISSION some how.

Rip ...

21 January 2020, 23:37

Todd Williams

quote:

I totally agree Alf. The above photo is quite disturbing. A rifle fully outfitted in leather.

I don't know about "SMART" but it's certainly "PERVERTED" which when you think about it, perfectly describes Blasers.

I mean really. Can you imagine being a fly on the wall in the board room when the idea was floated to produce a rifle completely covered in leather with contrasting color stitching? Exactly WHO is the target market for such an abomination? I think I can say without reservation, it's not someone I would enjoy sharing a camp fire with.

22 January 2020, 01:31

Atkinson

that be the first step to cross dressing, better be careful..

22 January 2020, 01:43

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
that be the first step to cross dressing, better be careful..

I'm pretty sure the Blaser fanboi types are past the "first step" Ray!

22 January 2020, 09:40

RIP

Semprio Big Five by Krieghoff.
"In-Line repeater."
A slide-action "pump."
Faster than a Blaser.
Better than a Blaser in every way.
Comes standard in .458 WIN chambering.
Other calibers, finishes and even engraving are available.
Does not come upholstered in leather with contrasting-color-accent stitching.
Better take-down, with barrels, magazines, and bolt heads interchangeable for multi-caliber capability.

22 January 2020, 19:13

crshelton

Is it possible that the Blasers trimmed in leather with contrasting color thread are really intended for the high fashion catwalk?
Meaning "to appeal to women".

23 January 2020, 03:13

Fjold

Where's the eye bleach when you need it?

Frank

"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953

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