I have a stainless steel Win. Model 70, post-64, classic CRF, long action rifle in .416 Rem Mag. that I would like to stock with a good, after market, black synthetic stock.

I want a real, honest-to-God, all weather DG rifle, but I don't know anything about synthetic stocks, much less those intended for big bore rifles.

I'd appreciate opinions on the best options available.

LOP would ideally be 14.25 inches, checkering and a cheek piece would be pluses, and drop box magazine capability would be a big and definite plus.

Thanks.

I use McMillan for all my rifles, including big bores. Lou

McMillan, MPI, Lone Wolf, Have all given me good service.
My favorite is a Clifton, but he is long out of business.

Ditto McMillan, especially if you want a drop-belly. The "Winchester Safari" was designed for that rifle and Sunny Hill drop-bottoms. They can have different densities of foam filler too, so you can up the weight if prefered. LOP can be ordered to your specification as can colors or custom paint schemes.



Yes, if Brent Clifton were still in the business I'd use him first.

Warning! McMillan will provide long LOPs, but they do not move the cheekpiece from where it is normally situated on a 13.5" LOP stock.

George

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Warning! McMillan will provide long LOPs, but they do not move the cheekpiece from where it is normally situated on a 13.5" LOP stock.

George

If you have a long neck to go with your long arms it shouldn't be a problem ...

McMillan I had one on a rifle just like you described and was satisfied. You couold probably pick up an original equipment tupperware from a classic stainless that would drop right in. They are cheap and available since a lot of people switched them out.

Thanks, guys.

Looks like the McMillan model in the picture that tiggertate posted is just what the doctor ordered.

If you don't want the drop bottom metal, the Supergrade from McMillan is a great option as well.

This will get you to their website to have a look at what's available. They'll do the drop-in stock, or you can send it to them for a full bedding job.

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-stocks-hunting.php

Good luck,

David

mrlexma,

Here is a photo of a Model 70 with the McMillian at 14.25 LOP on a 404 jeff. It has held up well and fits nice.

BigB

I have a McMillan Classic without the cheekpiece for my 470AR. Very nice stock, soaks up recoil and eliminates the need for a recoil lug on the barrel.

While you are looking, consider D'Arcy Echols. He has a proprietary design sythetic stock that McMillan makes for him that is very nice. I used one on a 458WM M70 that turned out really nice. I believe he may have some in stock, eliminating the long wait for a Mcmillan.

Does McMillan make stocks for the BRNO 602?

Yes.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Head Trauma:
I have a McMillan Classic without the cheekpiece for my 470AR. Very nice stock, soaks up recoil and eliminates the need for a recoil lug on the barrel .

How many rounds do you have thru that rifle in that stock ...... . I know people talk about not needing a 2nd recoil lug under the barrel . but most of those rifles either don,t get shot much , or need a long string of fixed stocks .......

I get very tired of having rifles break down , and a broke stock is a break down .... 2nd recoil lugs head alot of break down off at the action mortise ...

MPI ambedextrous thumbhole. Great grip, very solid hold.

LONE WOLF, COLUMBIA FALL, MT. GREAT STOCK, GREAT SERVICE.

I stocked my CZ 550 magnum action w a McMillan BRNO 602 kevlar, with work done by ROBAR in Phoenix, AZ.



ROBAR added the knurled surface texture.

It has held up to over 400 rounds of full power 450 Dakota w a single recoil lug and no cross bolts.

I would recommend it to anyone.

Any synthetic stock is a bit more "tiny" sounding when it hits limbs, brush, trees etc than a wood stock but the rifle shot clover leafs going from 3,200 feet above sea level in central Oregon to Dande North in Zimbabwae.

Andy

The McMillan seems like the consensus pick.

Why - besides a fairly long wait - would I not want one?

Especially since, as tiggertate's picture shows, it has all of the features I want?

I am thinking that, unless it has some undisclosed problems, I will go with that one.

I prefer the MPI stocks over the McMillans only because the MPIs are not as fat at the McM stocks.

The McMs are cnc inletted, so they go together much more quickly. The MPIs are built around a rough (I do mean rough) mold for the action.

In the end, both are full of epoxy so structrual integrity is no really an issue.

Here'a a push feed M70 375 in a Bell & Carlson:

It now has over 150 full loads & 250+ reduced loads with no problems. I reinforced recoil lugs (barrel & action) with pieces of fiberglass 1/8" plate. These are to keep it from spliting. I used a combo of Steel-Bed & Acra-Gel.

(before painintg)


It had beat up badly cracked impressed checkered stock (homely worst example of Wincheter cost cutting). Thus the replacement. Now I have a reliable affordable 'beater". Loves any decent 270-300 slug.

Pete A.

One of my long term guides has a B&C stock on his M-70 pushfeed 458 and it has been through hell - or at least many years of guiding on the Alaska peninsula - plus hundreds of rounds of ammo without a hitch. It seems a little thick compared to many of my other stocks but is not bad and he loves it.

Now I feel like I'm looking at a Chinese menu.

And I don't know from Chinese anything.

Thanks a hell of a lot!!!!

Seriously, if only there were a way to test these things before laying out the cash?!

I hate thick and blocky stocks, except to the extent NEEDED to deal with recoil.

Dead trees may be my last refuge.

Ok Phil now you got me "messed up". Next time I shoot it I'll be thinking "thick" (ha ha).

Did your guide do anything to reinforce the stock for recoil? I've used these on lesser kicking guns with no problem but felt with 375 needed help. B& C suggest in their literature that they do some kind of reinforcement.

My reinforcements were 1/8" thick fibeglass (G-10) plate cut and glued in the shape similar to greek letter Pi (letter T with 2 leggs). These were place in routed out section below/behind reciever recoil lug and same at barrel lug. Then used Steel Bed to keep all together. Had to do in steps a the dual lugs can be a bugger bear to remove after curing.

I was kinda thinking of your butt ugly (but way cool) M98 in 458. Though I'll never "need" a gun like that (though saving pennies for "Africa" trip). But hey that's what evenings in the garage are all about.

Just what one needs for Leon County, Tx feral hoggs.

thanks,

Pete A.

A frend has a Sythetic stock he put on a 416 cal.he built He said the recoil is to much. So he shoots it once a year.

I have the Bell & Carlson on my .375 & it is as tough as nails. Bought the stock over 20 years ago and technicly this is the second rifle it has been on. It was on my .243 (Mauser action) first and then was put on my .300 H&H next (commercial Mauser action) next. Had the .300 rebarreled to .375 and the stock is still going as good as the day I got it. It feels good and has decent profile. The major selling point for me is that B&C has always given me good service.

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I use McMillan for all my rifles, including big bores.

YEP!

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
Now I feel like I'm looking at a Chinese menu.

And I don't know from Chinese anything.

Thanks a hell of a lot!!!!

Seriously, if only there were a way to test these things before laying out the cash?!

I hate thick and blocky stocks, except to the extent NEEDED to deal with recoil.

Dead trees may be my last refuge.

I think most of the companies can send you dimensional data if requested. Oddly enough, the clunkiest synthetic I have is MPI's express stock for the CZ 550 Magnum. New_guy must have a different model. I know that MPI will ship you several at a time and let you return the ones you don't like for full credit. But looking at an MPI in the raw can be a scary event. Good news is they clean up nice.

Okay, thanks. I am narrowing it down to MPI or McMillan.

Does anyone know the particular features that distinguish the Echols version of the McMillan from the run of the mill models?

D'arcy had a couple of his for sale in the classifides here a couple weeks ago. Nice lines. But to drop-bottom I don't think. From what you've posted I think the express is what you'd want. Call McMillan and ask them for some measurements. I'm sure they'll be accomodating as possible. They usually are. Good folks and they do a lot for our troops as well. I have one of their stocks and will have more.

David

Good question. I've always thought it was a distinct Echols' pattern made with standard McMillan technologies. As for the Sunny Hill or other bottom metal, I'm sure for a little cash any synthetic can be modified for a drop belly. That is a glop-and-sand proposition.

I dunno, somehow I just can't warm up to a synthetic stock. A benchrest rifle maybe, but for hunting...?

Rich
Buff Killer

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
Okay, thanks. I am narrowing it down to MPI or McMillan.

Does anyone know the particular features that distinguish the Echols version of the McMillan from the run of the mill models?

If you do a search for "Echols legend stock" you will find a number of threads about it. Not sure they will be that helpful, but that is the best I can do.

. My most recient MPI stock , a Safari Drop Box double X magnum for the CZ 550 Safar Mag.action was wonderfully slender ans my 416 holds 6 rounds in the mag ....For some reason I am having trouble with photo bucket and can,t get the img to copy so I can,t paste the rifle in this post ....Sorry

I just bought an Echols McMillan stock and it is excellent. Unlike other McMillan's it is not a drop in stock; it is an unfinished blank that must be sanded, primed, painted and have the pad and swivels installed. Per D'arcy's design the ejection area and bolt handle are not inlet, this is to allow the use of different bolt handles and to give the stock finisher full latitude in shaping the ejection area. Here are some pictures of how they come from Echols:









Mine arrived five months and one week after I ordered it through D'arcy, which is the same amount of time a normal McMillan takes.

gumboot458-

To answer your question, about 200 rounds thru the 470AR, no problems so far.