Would this out do the Taylor due to having a bit more surface area ?? eaiser to obtain 2400 fps with the 400 gr .404 J woodleigh bullets ??

Ha! On the 458WM vs. Lott thread the argument is for 400 gr. bullets in the 458! You can get them up to 2400 fps, so why bother necking it down!

I went with the Taylor because 400 gr./416" dia. bullets will have better penetration than 400 gr./458" dia. bullets at 2400 fps. And better penetration than 400gr./423" dia. bullets!

Will I just thought that the .423 version may have been able to get better speeds with 400 gr than the taylor and the .423 400 gr would have a better sd than the .458 400 gr...........................Just wondering if it would be a good round at all.

PC,

There is a similar wildcat extant; it is the .425 Express, which is the .300WinMag necked up to .423.



George

PC,

It seems there is nothing much new under the sun!

There you go...the 425 Express.

Savage has/had a .425 in production...I always seemed to me the better of the short magnum big bores, but I'm not sold on short magnums of any kind other than the .338 and would have opted for a full length case on it if they had asked me, but alas they did not!

PC,
I looked into the 425Express about 10 years ago when it was almost impossible (actually it was impossible!) to find quality brass for the 10.75x68Mauser. I was going to do a rechamber, but there were no reamers in Oz and I wasn't prepared to fork out the money for a custom reamer and then use it on my slightly dodgy Sprinter rebore barrel. If you did get a reamer though, I reckon Bob would go halves, and someone else might make it thirds as he's still having 10.75 withdrawel pains... But a 416Taylor is still a lot more practical and higher up on my wish list, and I could reload it back to 10.75 ballistics.
Cheers...
Con

I've been using the 425 Express for 10yrs and its a dandy for brown bears and will reach out with 350 grns Barnes X. The difference between and a 375 must be seen to be believed. Jim

Will, are you saying you get 2400 fps with your 400g? That seems a bit hot for the Taylor. At any rate, the Express seems a good comprpmose. It would get whatever insane topspeed the Taylor got with a little less pressure.

It is easy to get over 2400 fps with a 400 grain bullet in the .416 Taylor, without excessive pressure. Just use a 26" Shilen stainless barrel with 14" twist like I did: A No.4 sporter contour is nice on a Ruger Mark II stainless. Adequate for anything that walks the planet.

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Originally posted by Bwana-be:
Will, are you saying you get 2400 fps with your 400g? That seems a bit hot for the Taylor. At any rate, the Express seems a good comprpmose. It would get whatever insane topspeed the Taylor got with a little less pressure.

Thats what I was thinking it would be good for, I realise the .458 winnie is much more practical in many respects but it's 400 gr bullets don't have the SD........................I have to ask though does it matter much about SD for animals other than the big 5, what other animals other than African DG and say the biggest bears would you really need to worry about SD if the bullet has a reasonable amount of weight and velocity.

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I've been using the 425 Express for 10yrs and its a dandy for brown bears and will reach out with 350 grns Barnes X.

Do Barnes make a 350 gn X bullet? I've only been able to find the 400gn X.

RIP what powder are you using in your taylor with the 400 gr bullets.

I shot a bunch of 300 to 350 in mine but haven't tryed any 400s yet.

My brother gave me some 400gr barnes x bullets I just haven't gotten around to do any load development.

I built my taylor on a MKII stainless also with a 25 douglas so far she well put any bullet I shoot in it in the same hole.

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Originally posted by Bwana-be:
Will, are you saying you get 2400 fps with your 400g? That seems a bit hot for the Taylor. At any rate, the Express seems a good comprpmose. It would get whatever insane topspeed the Taylor got with a little less pressure.

Insanity might be part of it, but I get 2,400 fps in my Taylor without any signs of pressure (even in the "evil" African heat!). Admittedly the bullets (Speer AGS solids) cannot be seated to the cannalure, but that is really irrelevant when the case is chocked full of powder anyway. RL-15 gets a bit more velocity than IMR 4320 in my 22" barrel.

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Originally posted by BwanaBob:

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I've been using the 425 Express for 10yrs and its a dandy for brown bears and will reach out with 350 grns Barnes X.

Do Barnes make a 350 gn X bullet? I've only been able to find the 400gn X.

Bob,
Barnes quit making the .423/350gr X-Bullet a few years ago. Waterrat must be sitting on a cache of them up north, for use in his .425 Express.

I hornswoggled Ray Atkinson out of his last 79 of them. Sent him a check and he UPS-ed them to me.

I met a brown bear guide in Alaska named Joe Polanco who used the .425 Express. We chatted a bit about it as he piloted a med-evac flight from Dutch Harbor to Cold Bay where we transferred the patient to the big boys. Then we continued the stories at the bed and breakfast where I got stuck with the tab. I was going to have to fly back to Dutch Harbor with him the next day, so did not want him sleeping in the hangar overnight, so I put up with it. Separate bedrooms.

That .425 Express is a great cartridge. I would rather have it in a standard M-98 than a .404 Dakota, or a .404 Jeffery, if I wanted a rifle built on a Mauser 98 standard action in .423 caliber.

But the .416 Taylor is about the same, indistinguishable in performance I'd say.

I have some 350 barnes X bullets I don't know if they make them anymore.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
RIP what powder are you using in your taylor with the 400 gr bullets.

I shot a bunch of 300 to 350 in mine but haven't tryed any 400s yet.

My brother gave me some 400gr barnes x bullets I just haven't gotten around to do any load development.

I built my taylor on a MKII stainless also with a 25 douglas so far she well put any bullet I shoot in it in the same hole.

p dog shooter:

At 80 degrees F

Quality Cartridge .416 Taylor brass or Remington .458WinMag brass necked down: they are interchangeable.

Hornady 400 grain RNSP seated out to fill the magazine, 3.340" COL

F215 Primer

75.0 grains of RL-15

26" Shilen 1:14" twist stainless

ave velocity = 2418 fps

3/4 MOA

I like Douglas barrels. You will have to be careful with the longer X-Bullets and start around 67 grains of RL-15 and work up.

Will has used the shorter Speer AGS 400gr solid in his .416 Taylor to get more powder capacity, but I notice he is not telling how much RL-15 he maxed out at.

My load showed no pressure signs and was not heavily compressed, just a "full charge."