i saw a set of these on mauser the other day... quite a departure from the shallow V concept, but wow - they were quick to the eye and you're only focusing on one object - the target.

what do ya' think about the image on the far right? For a big-bore? anyone used anything similar?



PS - the rear "gost ring" is not on the reciever, it's on the barrel - positioned like a traditional V rear sight.

I don't know about that, but I tried out the Burgess/Echols 416 Rem with rear aperture (not tiny but like that ghost ring) mounted on the rear sight base and a bead front, very fast to the eyes. I loved it.

I also have used aperture with a front blade that had the "blade protectors" on it, old mauser, it made a little W for the front site, that lined up and centered naturally for my eyes, have kept the barrel so that later I might find similar front sight to try out.

I don't know if I personally would like the ghost ring mounted so far forward

Red

The ghost ring apeture has been traditionaly mounted too far foward by good gun smiths who do not understand the principle behind it. It is made for a fast sight picture, some say the fastest, your mind will automaticly center the front sight in it ( if you only foucus on the front sight and target)and whalah! So move it back boys its suppose to be close to you eye. The draw back to this sight is fine sighting at longer ranges, but we cant have both now can we?Hope this helps you out. Charlie

I have shot a lot of peep sight and ghost ring site systems, including this weekend on my brothers 45/70 Marlin Guide Gun, at "rolling" rocks, and must admit I prefer the British Express Site for iron site hunting situations.

Ghost peep is one of the fastest set ups going, have used them for years,,every time I hear of some one having trouble with them ,I wonder if they are forgetting to keep both eyes open

I'm familiar with both of the center and right sight pictures.

The center sight picture is what I see through my AR15. The one on the right is what I see through the sights of my Model 70 Highpower match rifle.

I prefer the picture on the right only because no portion of your target is obscured by the front sight.

But either one will be MILES faster and easier than ANY system where the rear sight is mounted forward of the receiver. By far.

IMO, the perfect set of iron sights are on the M16A2 and its civilian clones.

Bar none, the best set of sights ever installed on ANY military rifle, from any nation. Better than those of the M1903. Better than the M1 and M14. FAR better than any European or Japanese military rifle.

You would have to go to a windage/elevation adjustable rear receiver sight lie a Lyman or Williams to get close in a hunting rifle, and you still don't have a sight as rugged and versatile as the M16's, with its dual apertures (peep + ghost ring).

I know that's what the purists do not want to hear, but those are the facts.

Charles M has it right.The ghost ring is mounted on the rear of the receiver. A thin ring is necessary so as not to obscure the view.While it is fast it is also very accurate .The peep should have a hole of 3/16 - 1/4" . The front sight a 1/8" square post.

The Mojo sight was designed for military mausers so that the shooter can have the benefit of an aperature rear sight without having to permanently alter the original configuration of the rifle. It was not designed for sporters, on which you can easily mount an aperature to the receiver. This aperature replaces the military V on the barrel ladder sight.

While the Mojo has obvious benefits for target shooting, having the aperature that far from the eye seriously limits your field of view. It would be difficult for running shots on all but the closest game. I also suspect it would take longer for a follow-up shot than if the aperature were mounted on the action, closer to your eye.

My Springfield Armory Model 1898 Krag-Jorgensen has a movable aperture that can be pivoted up on the rear sight blade (barrel mounted) to do pretty much the same thing. Though not a ghost ring, it is good for precision shooting and actually pretty fast in good light.

Nothing is new.

The best hunting sight IMO is a .125 hole in the Ghost peep and a gold faced post partridge sight from NECG...Keeps everything simple..For up to 200 yards its better than a scope IMO for dangerous game hunting.

I have to mostly agree with Ray on this one. I say mostley only beacuse I prefer the AO Ghost ring which is nearly the same set up but the front post has a white line up the middle of it which is really a better set up in any kind of lower light conditions. IMO.

I've shot numerous head of varmints with these set ups at night on a light they really work good. They are the fastest no BS sight I've ever used.

Greg

Been a sucker for many "new" and different sight systems, resulting in only lightening my wallet. Have settled on the std ghost ring and post front sight (w/line) for speed and accuracy. Ray's idea is excellent, but I like that slightly bigger hole in the rear sight for my eyes. Personal preference, nothing more.

I handled a legend that if mind works right had a ghost ring that had an aperture that could be in or out. Now I have not used as many as some of the guys on here, course that is becase in my late 20's Ray's about 5 times older than me but from my little bit I prefer the bead on the front site rather than partridge because my eyes tend to auto center the round in the cirlce of the rear sight better than a square post.


Red

I have an XS Systems Ghost Ring set up on my Savage 99 and it really works great. It has improved my off-hand shooting considerably. When I buy a big bore "stopper", it will definitly get the same treatment.

Elmo

A larger apature is fine with me also and a nice 3/32 bead would suit me fine, mostly I use the post because I can set my receiver sight down on the rear ring and file the front to zero and this makes a real strong set of sights not easily damaged....

Ray, does Talley make a ghost ring? I have the peep sight, but a bit small in comparison to what y'all are talking about, right?

With my old eyes a ghost ring beats the Hell out of a "v"!

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Ray, does Talley make a ghost ring? I have the peep sight, but a bit small in comparison to what y'all are talking about, right?

With my old eyes a ghost ring beats the Hell out of a "v"!

I think that's the case with most eyes - regardless of age. switching focus between 2-planes (target and front sight) must be easier than switching focus between 3 planes (target, front sight, rear sight).

A small round file would probably turn your talley peep into a "custom-fitted" ghost sight.

This is interesting. Is there a ghostring that will fit a CZ with Talley QD mounts?

Man I wish I could post a picture here, I have the old style redfield flip up peep installed on my scope base (it is on a conetrol, but I supose you could D&T just about any scope mount for them) and I really like that alot. It is where it is suposed to be (at the rear of the receiver) and is plenty big enough. They are windage and elevation adjustable and when folded down they are out of the way. If someone can post a pic for me I can show you what I mean. Its too bad that they stoped making these

Another vote here for the XS Ghost Ring sights. I've got them on both my saddle rifles (Marlins). They're rugged as hell and quick to pick up for a snapshot. I've got several apertures for the Marlin's but prefer the .150" for general purpose shooting.

I've grown to like the shallow V express sights also and find them surprisingly accurate. One thing I DON'T like is those cursed little Lyman rear sights Ruger puts on their rifles. It's fine for a .22 rimfire, but for their centerfire rifles they're a joke. If Ruger chose a more rugged and durable rear sight I'd be one happy man!

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Originally posted by Niels:
This is interesting. Is there a ghostring that will fit a CZ with Talley QD mounts?

No, I called Talley about that exactly... he doesn't have anything.

New Guy,
Jim Brockman will recut the CZ dovetails to take his Talley base with his pop up peep in the rear base..Its a neat set up...

Rusty,
I use the Talley peep sight on several of my DGRs, I take out the threaded small hole insert and just use the hole, its about .125 that way and I have shot running game, including buffalo with it...It suits me perfectly..I use a .700 high NECG gold faced partridge post and file it to zero as the Talley only has windage...It is a great DG hunting set up...I have a case and carry it on my cartridge belt..

I've been using the XS or Ashley Outdoors ghost ring or peep which ever way you mount and want to use it along with the NECG Masterpiece front sight with the adjustable fiberoptic beed. This combo is very quick. I have one CZ550 set up with the peep mounted on the rear of the action and another with the peep forward mounted on a quarter rib. Both are fast and accurate.
Take good care,
Dave

At the SCI show D'Arcy Echols had a Legend Rifle there in 458 Lott that had his rear aperture/peep sight on it. That was a very sweet setup, you can change the size of the aperture in it, or take out all together for larger ghost ring.

I called Mr. Echols and asked him if he might have a picture of it that I could show you all and he was kind enough to send it to me (if you see this thanks very much for sending it). I sized it down but still left large enough for good detail, sorry if it loads slow just know that it is worth it.



Red

very nice - thanks for going through the trouble of getting the pic.

Does D'Arcy Echols have a website?

Attend to Ray. I have exactly the same setup, Talley peep with the inner eyepiece removed, on Monster Slayer, my Brno (CZ) .450 Rigby. Personally, I prefer a white bead because it shows up so well on black buffalo but either way it just simply works. QED.

I want a set both for my BRNO in 458, and one for my Mark IV in 375wby. Anyone with a tip on where to order? This site for instance http://www.gunaccessories.com/ExpressSights/ghost-ring.asp
does not list the CZ or the WBY

I know few think highly of the the barrel mounted rear notch, but John Taylor wrote these are almost always mounted in the wrong position. The correct place is nearer the muzzle, where the eye can better focus it with the front post. He recommended a minimum of 26" from the butt. The increased clarity makes up for the decreased sight radius. I've only tried it on an air rifle, and my initial assessment is he is correct.

Looks like Jim Brockman has a similar setup as the MOJO available.



"HexSite Express Sight System - (Patent 413,645 & Pending) The HexSite is a new and unconventional set of sights. The HexSite is perhaps the ultimate dangerous game express sight in the world. It is completely non-traditional. The shooter looks through the sight, not at them. This allows the shooter to concentrate fully on the target, not on the sights and the target, like traditional express sights. Target acquisition and first shot hits are 25% faster and more accurate on average. The HexSite also allows precise longer range shots. The HexSite system is featured on the Brockman S.O.B. and can be fit to dangerous game bolt actions and double rifles. Brockman's Custom Gunsmithing is proud to be the exclusive dealer for the HexSite in the dangerous game and double rifle market. (Installation on double rifles does not alter the rifle.)"

I am too old t learn anything new, so I will stick to a V rear sight and bead front.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Jim Brockman will recut the CZ dovetails to take his Talley base with his pop up peep in the rear base..Its a neat set up...
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You wouldn't happen to have a couple of pictures of that? I would really like to see how that looks before I go and order the items involved. Please... post fotos.

Niels

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Originally posted by Niels:

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
Jim Brockman will recut the CZ dovetails to take his Talley base with his pop up peep in the rear base..Its a neat set up...
.

You wouldn't happen to have a couple of pictures of that? I would really like to see how that looks before I go and order the items involved. Please... post fotos.

Niels

Here's the sight on what appears to be a M70.

Ray,
Please stop spelling "partridge" when you mean PATRIDGE. It is a front sight, not a bird in a pear tree.

Still waiting on a Talley peep on backorder ...

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Originally posted by new_guy:

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Originally posted by Niels:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Jim Brockman will recut the CZ dovetails to take his Talley base with his pop up peep in the rear base..Its a neat set up...
.

You wouldn't happen to have a couple of pictures of that? I would really like to see how that looks before I go and order the items involved. Please... post fotos.

Niels

Here's the sight on what appears to be a M70.

Thanks, but I have allready seen that, I meant photos of a CZ that has had it's dove tail cut to fit the peep