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Ok, guys, I've finally made the decision, this year for Christmas I'm getting my first .375 H&H! I really like how the Remington 798 Safari feels when shouldered, but from what I've read on here not many people like them? I was wondering if anyone had one and what they think of it (or if you don't and have an opinion, you're more than welcome to chime in). My other choice is a CZ which seems to be fairly popular on here. Now, when I get either rifle, is there anything I must do before I shoot it? I've heard of people adding things like crossbolts (does the CZ already come with them?), but I'm new to the big bore thing, so I was wondering if there's any problem with shooting a few rounds with it before I do any serious work on the rifle? Also, the scope- I prefer Leupolds, but I'm not exactly sure which one. Will a VariXII stand up to the .375's recoil? That's the scope I'm leaning towards (because the price isn't too bad on it and that's what I have on most of my deer rifles), but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't putting something inadequate on the new rifle. I'm thinking the scope will be a 3-9x, too, since I'll just be hunting deer and ground hogs with it for now!  Any help is appreciated, thanks!I heal fast and don't scar. | ||
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If that Whitworth is still available in the classifieds, your would be 100% ahead with a better rifle. Frank | |||
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I own a couple Sakos in 375 H&H and found them to exceed all my expectations, and they are always available online. If you're one of those folks who think CRF is needed for the 375 H&H, the M-70, being the rifleman's rifle, should be considered. Frank, is also correct. The Whitworth is a great gun and also should be considered. Yes, the VX II in either 2-7 or 3-9 will easily stand up to the recoil of the 375 H&H.  Lou**************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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I have owned and tried several .375's. I settled on a Model 70 with a 2.5x8 VariX III scope. Shoots great. Scope has held up well. | |||
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I agree with Dogcat. Try and find a Model 70. I owned one CZ, don't ever want another one. As for the Scope I would use Leupold QR Rings and Bases and have another Scope ready to drop on when the VX II fails. With QR Rings on the spare Scope that is sighted in to your Rifle you are covered if the 1st Scope fails and can get to shooting without sighting in. Your more apt to have a Scope fail than a Rifle.Just my 2 cents worth. | |||
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Personally I like Rem 700's for what they are good for i.e varmint and sniper rifles. A DGR THEY ARE NOT DESPITE ALL THE WISHFULL THINKING! Personally I'd buy a good CRF .375 and you can't beat a Model 70 particularily a pre-64 gun( big money but it will continue to appreciate). If you go with a CZ I would crossbolt it and glass bed it. Not a big deal and you can do it yourself or get a gunsmith to do it for you. As far as scopes go, I prefer a Leupold 2.5X compact as they never fail on much much bigger kickers than a .375. plus, its all you will ever need to 200yrds. They are cheap too. Use Warne Premier rings as low as you can go and lap the rings.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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The 798 is a controlled round feed rifle.  Free 500grains | |||
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Which ever one you choose, you're gonna love the cartridge! Merry Xmas! RG | |||
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Well you learn something new every day! I'd still buy a Model 70 anyday.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Thanks, guys, I think I might have to give this one a try. I wouldn't mind giving the one in classifieds a try (the Whitworth), but I need to trade something in on it so I can afford it. Can't wait! I heal fast and don't scar. | |||
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I handeld a 798 in I think 458 win at a cabella's in lacy washington. I liked it. I liked it alot. The one thing I did,nt like was the big R on th bottom of the pistol grip. Thats probably a small thing, But all remington did was import the rifle and put the stock on it.(i could be wrong) I would love to have one in .375 H&H.But I would agree with those who say hold out for a model 70, but if thts not doable , I think the 798 would probably be fine. I am no expert but the 798 is a Zastaza I think, and I also think a whitworth was built at the same factory , the 798 was finished up at Remington in the US and the whitworth in england. As far as CZs go. If you can get one with the new CZ american stock, It might be fine. Personaly I would need to junk the set trigger pronto. And there are some other changes I would want to make. But that is personal. that trigger on a dangerous game rifle is a travesty to me. But CZ makes a good action and it would be a good way to start and over time could be turned into somthing really nice. ...tj3006 freedom1st | |||
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Justin I have a 375 ruger and 375 h&h, I am using a 3x9 scope on both, the simple simmons scope you can buy for $59. both have been fired over 300 times without any issues.
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You do not have to use the set feature. JJK | |||
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Rem 798 = Whitworth = Interarms Mark X = Charles Daly = all made by Zastava (in my head I'm picturing the Russian cosmonaut from Armageddon "russian crap american crap same, all made in Taiwan!") Only difference between these guns is a bit of fit and finish and the stock they're put on. The 798 does come with a barrel band though, not sure about the others. I'd love to get one myself if they weren't 800$ for something thats gonna need work anyways. Search the classifieds here, as well as places like gunbroker.com and gunsamerica.com, sometimes you can find a killer deal if you put in the leg (finger?) work online. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Does anyone remember seeing a Sako in .375, a carbine length with Mannlicher stock? A fellow had one at a range I was visiting, and experienced a serious jam. I was able to clear it for him, and was allowed a few shots with it. I am not a Sako fan, not liking the trigger or extractor, but it was a very nifty package. Have thought of making up a similar piece on a pre '64. Anyway, that's the only one I've ever seen, even though I've kinda kept an eye out. An oddball? RG | |||
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Did it look like this? I've seen one a few years ago. Nice looking piece http://www.mwreynolds.com/HTML...koMannlicher375.html | |||
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I've seem them but never cared for the two piece stocks. | |||
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Please dont buy a 375 in CZ. They use the same action and stock for the 416, even the massive 505 gibbs. you need a more svelte rifle; the Whitworth is ideaL AT 8.5 pounds, as is the sako hunter or 75 at about 8 lbs sans scope. i have both, ans a CZ 550 in 505 gibbs. CZ is best left to the 505. | |||
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Something not yet mentioned is magazine capacity. The CZ in .375H&H will hold 6 in the well + 1 in the chamber for 7 total, not a bad thought on safari. I wouldn't want to be trying to load more carts into my rifle with the horn bosses of a buff bearing down on me. The model 70 would be my 1st choice for a slimmer .375 and CZ for most things bigger. Rodney. | |||
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The rifle, a Whitworth, you should buy, just came up for sale on the classifieds. I have a 2.5 x 8 Leupold on mine. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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I like the Remington 798s. No, they are not $5K custom rifles but they are affordable and very nice for the price. I don't like Remington's stocks but with the help of The Great American Gunstock Company: http://www.gunstocks.com/ That can be fixed very easily. It will need and action job from a big bore gunsmith. | |||
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Bought my Interarms MK X Whitworth in 1984 in a Drug Store here in Alaska for $350, I had just been drawn for a Bison Hunt I had a gunsmith add a 3-psn safety, express sights, and barrel band swivel Like the trigger that came with it Glass bedded my self and the stock still looks good It has never failed me Jim fur, feathers, & meat in the freezer  "Pass it on to your kids" | |||
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I own four CZ 550 Magnums. 9,3 x62, 375 Holland, 416 Rigby, and the 450 Dakota I took to Africa two weeks ago tomorrow. My PH thought it great after seeing me shoot a 4-shot 3" group at 200 off sticks. He said "bloody marvelous" after watching me click the set trigger on and drilling a buff at 165yds. Anyone knocking the CZ is an ass, according to the two PH's I hunted with. Rich Buffalo Killer | |||
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The CZ is in my opinion the best bigbore for the money on the market period. I like the looks of the RSM but for the price difference I could send a CZ to AHR for their upgrades and still be money ahead. Rodney. | |||
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I don't think I knocked the CZs, I just don't like the set trigger. I had a 7X57 and a .243. With a few alterations they would be great for my. If you like the set trigger thats ok too. I like simplicity. The CZ trigger would be great on say a multi purpose rifle. I adjusted the trigger on both my CZs and the pull was good without using the set. I sold my 7X57 and bought an old Ruger #1 in the same caliber. I would not trade back. The CZ was fine but my #1 is at least as acurate and just cooler. I sold the .243 and wonderd why I bought it in the 1st place, shot great but who wants a 8LB .243 except a varmint shooter. The AHR renditions of the CZs are magnificent. A bit spendy though. I think of the currant crop of mass produced rifles, its prety hard to go wrong. They all make decent guns anymore. ...tj3006 freedom1st | |||
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That's what I did, I sent my CZ Safari to AHR for their #1 upgrade and a new rear sight, I'm very happy with the rifle, except for it's lack of recoil lol  Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Who is AHR and what is the web site if any? DRSS | |||
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Cz(s) and Remington(s) are the only way many shooters can afford big "African able" big bores today. Yes, you can shop the auction boards for a used Whitworth or a miracle deal on a Winchester, but those don't come alone very ofter. I would love to have a custom built Ryan Breeding 505 but the finances for me and most of us don't work. A Remington in .375, tuned by a smith in on heck of a rifle! AHR is "American Hunting Rifles" http://www.hunting-rifles.com/ The build and customize Czs and have only good reviews. They also have developed and attempted to mainstream many mega-bore cartrideges based on the CZ 550 action. | |||
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zambezi, here's a link to AHR and their CZ upgrade page http://www.hunting-rifles.com/CZ/CZowners.htm Here's some pics of my CZ in 375 with their upgrade done...   Merry Christmas, Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Hi, Justin Jip. Great choice.375H&H is my nr 1 rifle. I live in South Africa and hunt many times a year. I have the VarIII 1.75 - 6 scope on mine. I must admit that I would prefer a x9 on the further shots (300meters), on the other hand at 1.75x I find it great in the bush. Give your ammo a great deal of thouth. Ammo performance difference is amazing in the .375 (I prefer a 200grain mono hollow point myself) Good luck and I hope to see you in the Republic soon!!!!! Cheers Steenbras | |||
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I have now had 7 .375s in the past 26 years, a customized Brno ZKK-602, much like the CZ-550M, a Ruger RSM, a Browning Safari-FN-LE and three original P-74 Mod. 70s, stilll have one, plus I have a custom "shorty" on a P-64 action. I like the old round, but, prefer my .338WMs for most B.C. uses and have a Browning Safari-FN-LE-.458WM being customized, just in case Elephants swim over from darkest A....... Anyway, the CZ-550,while being a great basis for a slightly customized big bore like a .416 Rigby, is, IMHO, too bulky and heavy in a .375 and I have checked out quite a number of them. I would not own another Ruger RSM if they gave it to me with a cash bonus, these rifles are poorly balanced, heavy pigs and after packing mine for 5.5 months at 5000 ft. in the Rockies while working solo in the bush, I traded it off a.s.a.p. My buddy has one in .416 Rigby and I dislike it, as well. I would look for an older Dakota 76, a Pre-64 Mod. 70, a Browning Safari-LONG EXTRACTOR or a Classic Mod. 70 and in that order, for another .375H&H. I have "dibs" on another P-64 factory H&H action and am considering building up another .375 on it to get one that is built to my exact preferences. The .375 H&H is THE "worldclass" hunting cartridge and one which all riflenuts should own at least one example of. It works well with several powders, especially W-760, H-5350 and RE-15 and is a snap to load. It feeds like no other round and the recoil is NOT that bad and I have shot many sub-moa groups with 300 NPs at nearly 2600 fps-mv...what more can you want? | |||
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Good points Dewey, I bought my CZ with the plan of getting used to big bores and if I felt I could then going up in caliber, so I wanted the longer action. I'm looking at having mine rebarreled to 505 Gibbs this January. Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Dewey, how about a Mark X Whitworth, I got one, not the express model, but I've added a 3-psn safety, express sights & barrel band classic Mauser action (i.e.. pre-64), decent stock, accurate out of the box and I'm happy with the trigger Problem is they can be hard to find Jim fur, feathers, & meat in the freezer "Pass it on to your kids" | |||
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i carried an rsm in 458 for a week this summer in tanzania. we did not have vehicles. humped it the whole way. no sling allowed per ph. 5:30 a.m. till dark. 1.75 hour siesta and lunch. that thing about killed me. my buddy had an empire in 375. was like a feather. no way in hell i would carry an rsm that way for the duration on that kind of hunt. get something with controlled feed and a synthetic stock that will shoot inside 4" at 100 yards. 375 is great. i used my buddy's rifle and got a big warthog and an impala. did not fire my rsm at any game the whole trip. | |||
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I myself am waiting for the winchester all weather to come back in 375H&H but i do like the looks of the CZ american safari magnum in the kevlar stock, now all they have to do is come out with a stainless rifle for the 375 . | |||
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Both the Whitworth and 798 are marginal for 375 H&H. They are fine for a 458 Win Mag, but there is just so much of the feedramp, which supports the bottom locking lug, machined away to lengthen the magazine well. Find a pre 64 Win 70 or a classic M70 for a good 375 H&H action. PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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The Kimber Caprivi in .375 is also a very fine rifle. I have two Model 70 .375's, and both have been customized, one by Cecil Fredi and the other by LeRoy Barry. They both carry Leupold Vari-X III scopes on them and they have been on 5 Safaris to Africa, taking everything from Livingstone's Suni to Elephant. | |||
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Out of curiousity, I just checked Gunsamerica for Model 70's in .375. Someone is advertising a box stock new, recent production Safari Express at $2550.00, FWIW. | |||
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I just listed a M70 Classic Safari Express with ammo FOR SALE in the AR Classifieds...... NorthGaAire | |||
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