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I am eyeballing the subject rifle, one of the earlier versions from 2004 I believe. Would like to hear if these are good rifles, any issues, etc. Also, anyone forming the Hornady belted magnum basic brass. I understand that they will soon offer 416 Rem brass. Appreciated. | ||
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More information needed, please. Is it a SS rifle in a wood stock? What markings are on the rifle? Winchester Custom Shop made a run of "Special Build" .416Rem rifles in SS w/wood, but I know they came out earlier than 2004 - perhaps around 2000? These were really very nice and had many custom shop features. A friend and I ordered two with additional custom work and I have been very pleased with mine on many Cape Buffalo. I have the original Winchester Custom SHop announcement listing the custom features somewhere in my files. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Not a custom shop gun. I too have the custom shop brochures. It's the basic blued/walnut rifle with what looks like an NECG adjustable rear sight, screwed on front base with white bead (I suspect I would change). Twin crossbolts with, I believe, a second barrel lug under the rear sight. Nice, inexpensive big bore "beater" rifle is what it would be. It would be an addition to my 416 Rigby Dakota larger bore battery. | |||
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I had two of them. One I shot for several years, then foolishly sold it. They are nice rifles, not too heavy and both of mine shot very well. I spent a little effort replacing the extractors, timing the safeties, and tuning the triggers, and ended up with a really nice, functional rifle for a pretty reasonable sum of money. My only complaint was that the stock was pretty chunky for a rifle without a drop box magazine. Once my Wiebe 416 Rigby came along, I sold my second one, but would seriously like to find another to replace it. If one were to replace the factory wood stock with an Echols Legend synthetic stock, along with the other mods I mentioned earlier, I think you would have a superb rifle. | |||
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Thanks. Your view supports what I saw, just needed an experienced confirmation. Certainly seems more nimble than my Dakota. I have looked at Williams' website but it appears they no longer make the extractor? Trigger and timing is easy and I agree the Legend stock would wrap it up well, all for <$1500. I think I will snatch it tomorrow. | |||
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Bought same rifle in about 2002. Other than a minor trigger adjustment it is factory original. Shoots about 1-1 1/4" at 100 yds. One shot each for sable, elephant, Cape buffalo, kudu, etc. Use it as is unless an alteration is required. Terminal ballistics more important than lines per inch of checkering. | |||
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I've got one, I think it must be an early one because the barrel is blued as opposed to matt. It is very accurate, shoots 350 TSXs under an inch, same with 400 Hornadys. Used it on my Grizzly last spring. Worked very well. No issues of any kind | |||
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Mine will shoot most bullets into 1/2"-3/4" groups. I have had bedding work done to it. It will shoot Noslers, Swifts and NF's all into tight groups although the groups are about 1-1.5" inches apart. I have about settled on the 370NF load at 2525 FPS. EZ | |||
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I have 2 a .416 and .375. They are the New haven build Safari expresses. My later .416 is nicer than my 12 year old .375 but both are alot of gun for the money. I really don't think I will need anything else....Want is a different story White Mountains Arizona | |||
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I have a few Win M70s in 416 Remington-including one of the stainless/Wood rifles. Excellent, all shoot great, all 100% reliable, and they have been shot a lot, never an issue, but what else would one expect from a WINCHESTER M70!!!!!!!! If it says Winchester on it, you can't go wrong! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Thanks gents. I put it away for pick up when I return next month. Any way to tell when it was made via serial number? | |||
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Does that include the 470 Capstick Winnchester?  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Yes, I "SUSPECT" there is a "SMART ASS" around every corner!!!!! JWP---   Hey, you know Sam an I slugged that barrel---Well, let me not tell too much of a lie, Let me say SAM slugged both of those barrels--they are not .474---they are .477 caliber! So all I have to do is get CEB to make some .477 caliber bullets for me---  HEH HEH Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Now leave me the hell alone, UPS just unloaded an entire TRUCK LOAD of bullets here at the lab and I am busy! http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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  Pictures!!!...We need Pictures!!!!Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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That "Just a few" ended up being a truckload! | |||
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Sam are you there helping??? Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Jim, No and I hope Michael put me in his wil incase he has a heart attack unloading all those bullets. I would at least like to have the copper mining rights! Sam | |||
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 I'd like to be 2nd in line but I have a feeling his boys would out us both!Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Yeah one of his boys is already selling scrap and eyes those piles of bullets that Michael rolls around naked in. OK we've gone off thread. | |||
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I bought a new Model 70 .416 in 2005 and started practicing with it for a 2007 hunt. One week before the hunt,the stock split. I find out later that is a common problem with that vintage rifle. We made it through the hunt okay but Winchester wanted a bunch of money for another stock. I had a Lone Wolf synthetic stock put on and it's been fine ever since. I also used the Hornady basic belted magnum brass for the .416; all you have to do is run it through the sizer die and then trim to proper length. | |||
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Wrenchmaster, Where did the stock break? How many cross-bolts were installed? What is your take on the break? Thanks Warrior | |||
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They do, they're supplying FN with them, for the new M70's. But it looks like they're no longer selling retail. And Brownell's don't have the full product range, as yet anyway. If you're in luck, your .416 may be late New Haven production - the last of them had Williams extractors. Jamison International are now producing .416 Rem Mag brass, and look to have it in stock. http://www.jamisoninternationa...roduct-p/ji416rm.htm The first batch sold out very fast; it broke the drought of this brass. Huntington's and Buffalo Arms list it now, too. BTW, you're right about the rear sight; it's a NECG/Recknagel model. Cheers, Doug | |||
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How can you tell? Thanks
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Yep, ordered some Jamison brass a couple of days ago. I use their brass 450-400 brass. It is good stuff. Still trying to figure out when my gun was made. The rear sight is marked "EAW" hence the Recknagel/NECG tie. | |||
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Where did the stock break? How many cross-bolts were installed? What is your take on the break? Warrior, the stock broke at the front cross-bolt; two of them were installed. After researching, it seems that a lot of them broke in the same place. The only thing I can make of it is inferior wood, but that's just my opinion. I was a little less than enthused with Winchester's handling of the problem, but I still prefer the Model 70 over many others. | |||
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Yes it is a bit disappointing to hear how they dealt with the matter. With 2 cross-bolts one does not expect this to happen. It should have been seen as a warranty issue. The Mod 70 will always remain popular. I am testing their latest 375 H&H Express next weekend. Must say their finish is not bad. Good luck with your new stock. Warrior | |||
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Which extractor you have? That's easy enough. Remove the extractor from the bolt, and look at the underside. The Winchester extractor is investment cast, and the markings are quite obviously cast in. The Williams markings are machine engraved. Cheers, Doug | |||
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Thanks. That will give me something to do as I recocer from a knee op. Cheers! White Mountains Arizona | |||
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OK, my 2 older classics have a black painted cast and a silver cast extractor. These are from the 90's and have no machine marks and a "O" with an "x" cast in it at the rear. No other markings. The newer 2005ish has a machined extractor with tool marks and M-R cut into the tail. I assume that is the williams? Does anyone know if the "new" M70 extractors from SC are machined? They are available from winchester. The williams are pretty hard to come by apparently Thanks again White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Yep, that's a Williams...M-R stands for magnum, right hand. The new FN-chesters have a machined extractor, but they don't quite look like a Williams. Mine are very similar, but not machined as nicely. Sorta like the barrel band sling studs...the older one looks to be a Gentry with a dot on the rear surface. The new one has a tiny "W". Maybe FN has the machining capacity to make the small parts that USRAC/Winchester was getting from other suppliers. "There always seems to be a big market for making the clear, complex." | |||
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Only IF factory ammo was used... handloads "officially" negate any and all warranties. If a company decides, in spite of handloads being used, that the fault was theirs, then they MAY replace parts or gun, but they are not obligated. Bob www.bigbores.ca "Let every created thing give praise to the LORD, for he issued his command, and they came into being" - King David, Psalm 148 (NLT) | |||
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Mine had a weak magazine spring which caused it to pop out a loaded round. After replacing the spring all was well. It will put three rounds in the same hole at 100 yds as long as I do my job. Jim "Bwana Umfundi" NRA | |||
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Thanks for the info. I guess if williams never gets the Brownells deal figured out I'll buy some winchesters
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It'll be the same anyway. Have a look at the product photos on Willams' Farcebook page: http://www.facebook.com/album....5984&id=305980776862 Cheers, Doug | |||
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Hey thanks for the tip. winchester sells them for $12 less than brownells... Cheers! White Mountains Arizona | |||
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