In the last few days I have been trying to get some 416 Rem Mag Brass in Australia and was told by the local Remington Agent that 416 brass is no longer on Remington,s inventory.

Looking on Remington,s web site under their list of brass, I indeed notice its no longer there. I also could not find any mention of factory ammo for it either.

I get the feeling they may be dropping the 416 Rem Mag. Does anyone know?

They dropped the brass several years ago for a while, then brought it back due to demand. Worst case you could form Hornady H&H basic brass. If it is legal to have brass mailed to you (hard to keep up with all the stoopid laws) send me a PM and I'll see if I can scrounge some up for you.
JCN

You can always convert 300 H&H an 375 to 416 Rem if worse comes to worse...Bell makes 416 Brass BTW...and Huntingtons has Rem brass in stock....

I would not be surprised if Remington did such a vile thing, they have before and they are coming out with a 416 copy of the Dakota...They are evil bean counters for sure..I won't do business with them anymore.

JohnCharlieNoak

Thanks very much for the offer but I think I will be ok as one of the other forum members has also offered. Much appreciated.

I just found it odd that there is no factory ammo listed and yet from what I read the 416 RM is becoming very poular in the US as well as other parts of the world.

I guess they do runs on various calibers and then hold off for a while

thanks Ray

I knew that 375 brass could be used. Midway has 416RM brass in stock as well according to their web site but they don,t export here. There seems to be quite a bit of it around so I will eventually get some. I have some for the meantime.

I have had customised a 416RM Winchester Model 70 and its just about ready. Its going to be great but now I wonder if I shouln,t have done a Rigby. That would have been too long for the model 70 action anyway, I suspect.

Remington ought to quietly drop the model 700 action.

500 grains

That may be why they are dropping the 416RM. I believe there have been more than a few cases of broken extractors on model 700 actions - particularly with this caliber

It would be ironic and delicious if the 416 Rem cartridge in Winchester rifles crushes the new 416 Rem offering in the marketplace.
JCN

Just drop Remington (except for the 7600)!

Hmmmmm,
416 Rem Ultra Mag/Dakota, just the thing for people who think the 416 Rem is tight on capacity, or that the Rigby is too old fashioned. Quite a wide marketing niche, eh? I'm sure the Winnie ultra mag actions will convert easily. It will be the new low cost DGR flavor of the month. It will answer the nonexistent need for another 416, and the very large and very real need for another cartridge for us to mess with.
JCN

416 rum? can you say totally USELESS with the 404 being so easy to fit into a rum action?

this is the one thing i'll have found to be MORE useless than tits on a boar hog

rem could impress us all.. have a 404 RUM... that is just an improve 404.... and be able to fire 404 in the chamber..

jeffe

I am not sure that Remington ever made their own 416 brass; I think maybe BeLL makes it for them in lots as they need to put out inventory. I think it is such a low volume number they made the decision to third party all components; the price sure refects that.

I was shooting my Rem 416 with reloaded to the reload book spects, 400gr bullets going 2415fps. Well I fired a couple rounds off when I ejected a fired shell with no neck on it.I was using Rem 416 brass. So I sent the Rem Co a letter.
They wanted me to send the shell if it was loaded by Rem. Which I told them it wasn't a Rem loaded shell. So they would not pay for me to have the neck piece taken out of my rifle. So I paid the gunsmith to get it out for me. But I don't use Rem brass in mt 416 anymore. I use Bell. So maybe they learned a lesson about their 416 brass. If it happened to me .It's happened to others

I think it's pretty clear that Remington is trying to drop the .416 Remington Magnum; likely for the purpose of introducing a .416 Remington Ultra-Gag. I've had no use for Remington ever since DuPont sold that fine company to the current owners. The current Remington is all about marketing, and to heck with quality, and to heck with customer support. They got the big game hunting world all up for the .416 Remington back in 1987, and the marketplace responed very favorably to the cartridge, which is one of the best possible choice anyone can make for dangerous game hunting. It has a fine reputation in Africa, and just about everywhere else.

We trusted in Remington to keep us going with this cartidge, but instead they drop the 400 gr. solid load, and then they make the brass essentially unavailable. Thanks, Remington!

Even so, Federal makes top-notch .416 Remington solid and soft-point ammo, and brass remains available from BELL. All this is just as well, because any money I spend on Federal ammo or BELL brass is money that won't be going to Remington. As far as I'm concerned, that company deserves exactly what it's getting out of me, and that it NOTHING.....

AD

I believe a Rem 416 Ultra would go nowhere fast. The 416 Rem/Hoffman has done so well because it is an eminently sensible and useful cartridge:
1. It uses modern powders to get traditional Rigby performance out of a 375 H&H sized cartridge.
2. It easily fits and works in readily available and inexpensive CRF rifles.
3. Very easy and relatively inexpensive to reload.
None of the above would describe the 416 Ultra. It is easier and more profitable I think to hype stuff to deer and elk hunters than to DG hunters and big bore fans. The hottest topic for the last year has been the 404 Jeffrey (thank you Ray, for championing it). Why? Ease of feeding, adequate killing power, modest recoil, and a small bit of nostalgia. In short, I don't think Remington understands the small, but more discerning big bore market. That, and their itty bitty little extractor will make for tough sledding for the 416 Ultra.
JCN

Dupont owned Winchester, not Remington. Big Green seems to be perfectly capable of inhouse stupidity and has been making dumb decisions since long before USRA took over the Winchester firearms logo. Dupont still owns Winchester ammunition, BTW.

Sarge, not true.

OLIN owned Winchester firearms, still owns and operates Winchester Ammunition, and owns the Winchester trademark which they license to U.S. Repeating Arms Company.

It was indeed DuPont who owned Remington........

AD

Dear Oldsarge,

Sorry but you have it backwards and Mr. Day is correct. DuPont owned Remington and Olin owned Winchester. Olin still owns Winchester ammunition but Winchester Firearms is owned by United States Repeating Arms Corporation which is in turn owned by the Belgians - as is Browning.

Tom

No Sarge, Dupont owned Remington from 1933 to 1993 and Olin owned Winchester Firearms until it became USRAC which is now a subsidiary of FN Herstal. But Olin still owns Winchester ammo and powder.

And I haven't had anything stronger than coffee, yet, today! Premature Alzheimer's perhaps? Anyway, I stand corrected on all counts . . . but still haven't got anything good to say about Remington!

Hey Sarge,
dupont bought them, and forced kevlar into the stocks.. but the accountants didnt want to pay for a good kevlar stock.. so it's just pieces/parts of kevlar...

jeffe

If anybody needs/wants some factory 416 Rem Mag (350gr Swift, 400 gr Barnes Solids) I found some gathering dust and posted them in the classifieds today.
JCN
PS cheap

500grains,
Now THAT's just not going to happen!


Obviously, all major firearms manufacturers are in the business to sell guns, even to those of us who don't need another one .

Most gun buyers are not 'hard-core' like we are, and are quite content to buy into whatever marketing hype Ru-ming-chester come out with every year (e.g., WSMs, WSSMs, RUMs, SAUMs, .17HMR, .356TSW, .41AE, .357Sig, .45GAP, ad nauseum).

The .416 Remington will always be a niche cartridge. A run of 50,000-100,000 cases every couple of years would probably satisfy demand. If they are dropping it (again), it will either be temporary or in order to pave the way for a new cartridge (like a .416 RUM).

The accountants hold sway based on what sales data and marketing research tells them. A 5mm Remington may have a dedicated following, but it is a very small following (by the way, have you checked into the 5mm Craig conversion?).
It 'doesn't pay' for brass/ammunition manufacturers to turn the production line over to production of a moribund cartridge.

This is the same reason given for not producing LH rifles in more configurations, even though they are already producing LH actions and barrels by the thousands.

And who among us is really happy with factory guns or factory ammo anyway?

George

Out of the 10,000 registered users here, there are probably only a few dozen dedicated .416 Rem. devotees. Maybe less than a thousand in the whole world?

That probably isn't going to impress Remington or anyone else.

Here we go again...this reminds me of the false postings of a certain make double rifle blowing up. When the truth was finally known it was a bolt gun with fluted bbl. Ooopps...what happened to the double rifle nay sayers????
Who knows for A FACT that Rem. is stopping production of 416 RM's? Not rumor but real fact?
Reminds me of when Ruger announced the 9 m/m semi auto...you could not get one for 4 yrs. as they never made any except for the ones you could play with at the SHOT show. People would come into my store and ask for one. I would say Ruger has yet to ship any and they would tell me about their buddy having one. When challenged to bring it in for show and tell...they never could get the pistol from their buddy!
I sell about a case a year of 416 RM Remington factory ammo. I sell 6 to 8 boxes of Federal loads.
I sell about 6 + or - rifles a year in 416 Rem. Mag.
I have yet to sell a doz. Rigby chamberings in all the years I have been in business. I have sold one 404 chambered rifle (I should have kept that one) and I have yet to sell a 416 Wby chambered anything.
I own and shoot a 416 Rem. Mag. chambered Dakota Arms. I have factory loaded ammo out the wazoo and I also have 50 to 100 rounds of virgin factory brass that can be reloaded if that ever becomes necessary. You can still get the brass from folks like Midway. No problems. Then...Federal makes ammo for the 416 Rem. Mag. I guess they too are going to pull the plug.....jeeze Louies!
The solids stop selling as so few people were buying them. Just like they dropped the 325 and 350 grn. loads. The 400 grn. Swift A Frames were just getting the work done and that is what the majority of folks wanted to buy.

Harry,
We are just trying to have some fun getting a rumor started. One of the reasons I like this forum so much is that it is just like being in high school, except without the adult supervision. If you keep saying sensible things in your posts I will read them and eventually might start thinking in a rational manner. What fun would that be?
JCN
PS $5.00 says Remington s**tcans the 416 Rem Mag and gets all their shills at Roadhunter and Gutshooter monthly to extol the virtues of the all new and ultra improved 416 RUM by this time next year .

My last post was a bit reckless. What I meant to say was that any reasonable student of history of the American firearms industry would look at Remington's long and dishonorable history of leaving its loyal customers holding the bag, and believe to a reasonable degreee of certainty that they were about to take it up the a** once again.
JCN
PS Now that I'm fired up, can someone tell me just how hard it can be in the age of CAD, CAM and CNC to get three rings of steel to line up so that at least one or two of the surfaces were concentric, parrallel, or perpendicular, as appropriate?????

Simple:

Marketing Hype + Freebies for Gunwriters + Beancounters at the CAD machine = A REASONABLE FACSIMILE OF QUALITY, OR AT LEAST ENOUGH TO FLUMMOX JOE GUNBUYER.

That is, only, however, while we're fired up, so to speak.

I have checked with a few sources and they say Rem 416 brass is still listed on their availability lists from their sources.

After reading the postings ragging on Remington, all I do know is that for 2004 they listed in their Classic 700 Special the 8 mm Mauser. For 2004, they also quit making their 8mm 185 grain SP bullets!

Timely coincidence if you are stupid. Didn't Forest Gump say that " Stupid is as Stupid Does"? Well we now know who is the guy running the Crystal Ball dept in market development at Remington now.

Cheers and Good shooting
seafire

500,
The only reason I have kept that piece of Remington junk 5MM and the bloody 32 rounds (started with 100 in 1960) is because I have never seen ANYTHING out shoot it!!! I won 7 turkeys in a row and they ran me off at a shoot one time...

This is why you should never sell a gun. I sold my 5 mm plus a case(!) of bullets when I was a starving grad student for about $75 bucks. Ray, it did shoot like a house a fire. Bob