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I was wondering if there is field experience at AR with this slow and expensive but surely high quality ammunition?

Many thanks!
 
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I think you would have a dead elephant on the other end--if the bullet was placed right. 2100fps does not seem really slow, I bet it will get the job done!


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That's about the velocity of the NE rounds, and they've been working for 100+ years. The 500 NE is about that with a 570gr bullet. The 505 Empire, meant to approximate the ballistics of a 500 NE, fires a 600gr bullet at 2,150 fps. Maybe folks are learning that a 535 to 600gr bullet at 2,400 fps is not that pleasant to shoot! :-)
 
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Not the particular round in question, but I did kill an elephant a few years ago with a .510 caliber 600 grain Woodleigh solid fired @ a bit over 2,200 fps muzzle velocity from my .500 A-Square. IIRC, the load was 126 grains of H4350.



That loading seems to be very close, in terms of bullet and velocity, to what the folks at Norma load in the .505 Gibbs, although they use their own powder, of course. I'd use the Norma load without hesitation, assuming that it shot well in my rifle.

More recently, though, in my .500 A2, I have changed over to 570 grain Barnes FN banded solids driven to approximately 2,500 fps by a full case of Reloader 15 powder.


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More recently, though, in my .500 A2, I have changed over to 570 grain Barnes FN banded solids driven to approximately 2,500 fps by a full case of Reloader 15 powder.

Mike, Did you find a country with bigger Elephants??? :-)
 
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Given bullets that can handle it, more velocity is always better - although that's certainly less true of solids and elephant than expanding bullets and other game, once a sufficient degree of penetration is reached.

But I do shoot other game, such as Cape buffalo, that is best shot with expanding bullets, and I use the same rifle.

So I load the 570 grain Barnes FN solids just as fast as the TSX bullets of the same weight. That way they shoot to the same point of impact.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as one can handle it, and it's practical to travel with, carry all day and shoot and hunt with, there's no such thing as too much power in a DG rifle.


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there's no such thing as too much power in a DG rifle.

10-4 on that!
 
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