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Guys, what can you tell me about the .585 AHR? What is the parent case? Is it the same case as the .600 OK? What is the bullet weight and at what velocity? Anyone got one? How do you like it? I looked at pictures of it as well as the 600 OK and thought that I would prefer it to the 600 because is has a neck rather than a straight wall. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | ||
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Ed and Wayne are working on mine now (actually a 70th b'day present for my dad). parent case is, as you surmised, RGB's 600 Overkill. Here is a picture Bitterroot from AHR posted some time ago featuring their 700AHR, the 600OK, the 585AHR and 45/70:  I can take a photo of a 600 OK next to a similarly loaded 585AHR and post it if you like. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Seems like the severely rebated rim of the 700 AHR would make feeding a difficult proposition. How do they achieve it? | |||
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Doc, thanks for the picture. It's the one that I had previously found her on AR. In looking at the picture, it would appear to me that the .585 and 600 use Rob's same parent case with the .585 being the necked down version as the .600. Rob, is that correct? It also looks like the .585 has the same rebated rim as the .600, right? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Yes, it is simply a necked down version of Rob's 600. As far as 500's question - I guess that question is best answered by SAFARIKID and Bigdoggy as they both have 700AHRs. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Damn!! you could fit a loaded 458WM in the case of those bad boys, and maybe still seat the bullet.  6x NFR Qualifier NFR Champion Reserve World Champion Bareback Rider PRCA Million Dollar Club 02' Salt Lake Olympic Qualifier and an all around good guy! | |||
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Yup its the .600 case necked down to .585. Both Fritz 454 and I did one well before AHR and I worked with Ed on his design. I was not impressed with the one I did.If you can drive a .620, 750 gr bullet to 2700fps, then whats the value of driving a .585, 750 gr bullet to the same velocity? The bigger bullet always wins in my opinion. Nevertheless, it will still be fun and different.The .600 feeds flawlessly and the .5h5 will be a little more difficult.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Rob: I see two benefits to the .585. First, with bullets of the same weight, the .585 bullet would have better sectional density than the same weight bullet in the .600. Second, the case of the .585 has a distinct neck. Bullet seating would be better and it would eliminate the necessity for a three die set. Two dies would work just fine. Don't you think the actual performance of either cartridge in the field would be about the same? I know a .585 is not a .620 bullet but it is still a hell of a hammer! Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave, we tell all of our customers who are deciding between the 585 and the 600 to go with the 600. Then if you want to get a 585 as CCMDOC did then OK. The 600 way outperforms the 585 in hitting power and coolness factor. You don't need three dies to load either round unless you are loading lead bullets. They both feed perfectly as does the 700 AHR. The 585 is a hammer, but the 600 is a sledge hammer. | |||
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Bitterroot, do you think that you guys could put a .450 Dakota together for me? That's my next project. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave, you bet. 450 Dakota or 450 Rigby, same thing except the Rigby has more class. Both are hot right now, we have three 450 Rigby's on the bench and we are re-chambering 458 Lotts to the Rigby as fast as we can. One more note on the 600 OK- don't worry about sectional density on the 600 Overkill, it has shot through every beast it has come up against using the properly constructed bullet. Between Rob's and my bullets you will want for nothing. | |||
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Bitterroot, when I started putting this project together about a year ago, .450 Rigby brass was scarce and expensive so I decided on the Dakota cartridge. As I understand it, Jamison is now making .450 Rigby brass. Brass was and is readily available for the .450 Dakota and, as I understand it, Hornaday here in Grand Island, NE will be making brass for Dakota in the future. Doesn't make much difference as I now have dies and a lifetime supply of brass for the Dakota. In retrospect, the Rigby may have been a better pick but a I am committed now. I will give you a call in the next 30 days or so. I need to ask a question. I am thinking of your standard dangerous game rifle with a gunkote finish, quarter rib, and AAA walnut? How long does it take from order to delivery and wha't the upfront money, 50%? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave, Jamison is making the 450 Rigby brass now, but they are still the same cartridge with same loading data and performance. You can't go wrong with either. New rifles are running 3 to 4 months from time of order and 50% deposit is correct. | |||
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what Bitterroot modestly omits here is the absolutely breathtaking beauty and cast-iron anvil reliability of these rifles. I got to shoot both the 600 and 700 in early June, and his brake makes them easy to control. I got four rounds off with the 700, single loading and hitting the target in thirty-two seconds. That takes great stock design, and an effective brake. The man is too modest. Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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Dave Bush, I will let Bitteroot explain how the rebated rim on the 700 works and is not a problem. I can attest that it works great and is totally reliable. Both the 600 and 700 are fantastic rifles. They are so good I ended up with 2 of each. A heavier longer barreled version, and a short barreled lighter version of each! | |||
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Rich is right on all points. The workmanship is outstanding, the design is spot-on and the gang at AHR let their products speak for themselves while Ed and Wayne remain humble in words and actions. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Dave- Sectional density only matters if you dont have enough and isnt what kills things. Gerard makes those points well on his website and Macphersons book on bullet penetration comes to the exact same conclusion. Bore size and velocity are the magic factors. Bullet seating is actually problematic with these realatively thin walled cases and with the Nyati for example its easy to push the shoulder back while seating the bullet( yes even with Horneber brass). You only notice it when you try and load a case and it sticks in the chamber and the bolt wont close. Moreover, when your dealing with guns and ammo this expensive, I dont see the point of saving money on a two vs three die set. Trust me in that I've done both the 585 and the .600 and the .600 wins each time. Bitteroot concurs on that also. If you want more then there is always the .700 AHR which I really like and then the big jump up to the 12gaFH. Remember, I invented the .600OK to resolve all the problems associated with the .585 Nyati. What was learned went into the .600Ok and it flat works. I'm only making this suggestion to you so you dont wind up with "Japanese Harley Syndrome". Get the big gun and dont look back.-rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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"Sectional density only matters if you dont have enough and isnt what kills things.Gerard makes those points well on his website and Macphersons book on bullet penetration comes to the exact same conclusion. Bore size and velocity are the magic factors" So a 350 grain bullet at 3000FPS would be more effective on killing bears than the 500 grainer at 2650 FPS in my .460 WBY  //OK | |||
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Overkill- Your bears are wimps! USE a .22LR like any other self respecting swede with Viking blood. Lets see .620 bullet with sd of .30 vs .585 with sd of .33.same velocity lats say 2400fps. Which one do you think will kill better? -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I love the "Japaneese Harley Syndrome" analogy  . I'll always swing towards the 600ok, but I may be biased  But I do admit--every time I see that 700 case I start getting that old pang  Wayne---you're a bad man | |||
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Japanese Harley syndrome- It looks just like a Harley ,makes more power its more reliable and costs only $14,000 compared to a Harley. Famous Quote. "I'll be just as cool and just as Happy with one and I'll save money over a Harley". Six months later and 3-4 grand poorer after the trade in, you now own a Harley because all the real bikers have Harleys and they really are cool! Good analogy!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Happened to a co-worker of mine this last month---he now has a nice Road King and about $5k in a lesson | |||
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